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Re: #USTE: All immortals? (transhumanism and philosophy)

Unread Messageby chatelot16 » 25/05/18, 13:15

if someone invents a way to make us all immortal it must be euthanized

if everyone is immortal it will be hell!
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Re: #USTE: All immortals? (transhumanism and philosophy)

Unread Messageby Ahmed » 25/05/18, 13:22

The underlying idea is not immortality for all, but for the "upper" class. Those who are already splashing in liquid nitrogen have already subscribed to this illusion, against hard cash!
More generally, the project aims to materialize social difference through physiological benefits.
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Re: #USTE: All immortals? (transhumanism and philosophy)

Unread Messageby Janic » 25/05/18, 13:56

Ahmed, hello
What you say is true, Janic, only if one refers to the means *, but not with regard to the finality:
Your reflection is, as usual, full of common sense, but (because there is a but, oh, yes!)
When man invents the wheel, he has no idea what concept will become in the ensuing centuries (he would have had to be awfully Balaize to say it) hence the comparison with the hammer, but if neither the hammer nor the door had existed, its finality would have existed no more than killing the neighbor. But the hammers, the doors and the neighbors are there and so must be done with.
from this last point of view (and which is the most important), transhumanism marks a decisive break.
Transhumanism, if I understood it correctly (which is not a reference in itself), is only an extension of it with all the SI [*] that accompany it: an artificial heart, plus one artificial liver, plus an artificial brain connected, etc ... and this gives the man increased (in theory only!)
I recall that the current general purpose is to restore previous functions diminished or suppressed, which is hardly blameworthy.
Not only is it not blameworthy (I wear many glasses to increase my sight deficient) but it is of great use. However, I could have, too, avoid too long readings in the semi-dark, do visual exercises (even now despite my age, that's what is said!), Eat more carrots (ah, ah, ah!) and I would not, perhaps, not need these artifices ???
Same thing for crutches for those who have trouble walking, then mechanized artificial legs, grafted hands and all the rest. But the increased man, is ultimately only this process extended even to the absurd because eventually he becomes only a machine ... which no longer needs his humanity ... and long live the mechanistic evolution!

[*] the human being is only an eternal child who wants to prolong his dreams, or his fantasies, into adulthood and transhumanism is only Marvel implemented (if they get there! what is it, and not who, would prevent them because in our productivist societies it is to produce that which counts and which only shows the positive aspect of this process, the disadvantages will be discovered only later, or even too late ?)
It is this kind of utilitarian mechanism, apparently, that has favored, then developed, the vaccine system creating an illusion that thanks to this little miracle the disease, even death, would be overcome (for a little while) and that no is actually going from Charybdis to Scylla,
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Re: #USTE: All immortals? (transhumanism and philosophy)

Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 25/05/18, 14:25

It is interesting to study transhumanism from the point of view of sociology.
This doctrine is currently carried by what some call the "upper class" or (Californian dominant class).
They are very educated people, very wealthy of not much and who owe their success to the technology sector.
When one possesses almost all that one wants, it does not remain then whereas pushed back further the limits to maintain indefinitely its domination.
It is also important to emphasize that this ideology is proliferating mainly among people from Protestant or Jewish families.
This last point is significant since the defenders of this doctrine is presented as being atheist and therefore do not conceive the possibility of a life after death ... without wanting to give it up.
However one does not erase its cultural origins. Naturally, therefore, there are religious conceptions within transhumanism, not through the promise of another world, but through the modification of this world via technology.
So we have an ideology that perfectly reflects the current economic system: an irrational doctrine driven by technological rationality, historically it gave several dystopias.
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Re: #USTE: All immortals? (transhumanism and philosophy)

Unread Messageby Ahmed » 25/05/18, 19:50

I bounce on your last sentence: the unlimited nature of the accumulation of wealth (though perfectly illusory) goes hand in hand with the desire for eternal life. Death (which is the condition of life) is a contradiction to this accumulation.
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