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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!

Unread Messageby Janic » 13/07/18, 07:49

"Science is only the science of men and like them it is fallible"

No parallel is not possible.
On the contrary. Grelinette puts a big S to absolute science and a little s for the science of men. But in both cases it is science, ie knowledge, partial when it is with a small s.
For justice, ok the rules are defined by laws that are different from one country to another or from one judge to another and actually fallible.
all rules, all lois are of the "scientific" type, that is to say in relation to the knowledge of the moment as underlined by the article, done well, Wikipedia, with its various nuances. You only refer to one aspect, to the detriment of others. Gold LA Science can not be reduced to this single aspect, to please you!
but for science, the rules are established by facts and are invariable.
when we limit ourselves to the only aspect you mention, but only to that one. Even though!
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Re: science, pseudoscience, make a difference

Unread Messageby izentrop » 13/07/18, 18:07

sen-no-sen wrote:In the case of David Bohm it is clear that his philosophical preferences were turned to Hinduism, rather than materialism so dear to the Communists.
You have a very idealistic vision of science!
What matters to the scientific community is its contribution to the advancement of knowledge.
David Joseph Bohm (born 20 December 1917, died October 27 1992) is an American physicist who has made significant contributions in quantum physics, theoretical physics, philosophy and neuropsychology. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
I do not see what is idealistic about it.
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Re: science, pseudoscience, make a difference

Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 13/07/18, 20:12

izentrop wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:In the case of David Bohm it is clear that his philosophical preferences were turned to Hinduism, rather than materialism so dear to the Communists.
You have a very idealistic vision of science!
What matters to the scientific community is its contribution to the advancement of knowledge.


That's what I tried to explain earlier ... : roll:

I do not see what is idealistic about it.


It appears that you have not really studied the subject ...
When we talk about'idealism in the context of epistemology, reference is made to an interpretation of reality, namely the primacy of the mind over matter, ie the antagonistic position of materialism.
We mainly refer to its terms in the context of quantum physics, in particular via interrogations like these:Is the outside world independent of the observer?
Finally, n can very well be a scientist, a Christian, and defend a materialist position, one can be an atheist and have an idealistic position ... this kind of conception of reality is not necessarily linked to a religious affiliation.
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!

Unread Messageby izentrop » 14/07/18, 00:25

sen-no-sen wrote:What matters to the scientific community is its contribution to the advancement of knowledge.

That's what I tried to explain earlier ...
I have trouble understanding, sorry.
sen-no-sen wrote:I do not see what is idealistic about it.

It appears that you have not really studied the subject ...
When we speak of idealism in the context of epistemology, reference is made to an interpretation of reality, namely the primacy of the mind over matter, that is, the antagonistic position of materialism.
We mainly refer to its terms in the context of quantum physics, notably through interrogations like these: Is the outside world independent of the observer?
Hou-there! Quantum physics and philosophy are areas where the science / pseudoscience frontier is the hardest to determine.
See the debates between Max Planck and Ernst Mach
The music, no matter how beautiful, is only a vibration of the air, the heat a form of the movement and the light nothing other than an alternation of electric and magnetic field.
It speaks to me
"Does a tree fall into the forest make noise if no one is there to hear it? The answer that the fall of the tree made noise, even in the absence of an observer, was in contradiction with the axiom of Mach's philosophy.
Speak to me less :?:
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!

Unread Messageby Janic » 17/07/18, 16:00

Hou-there! Quantum physics and philosophy are areas where the science / pseudoscience frontier is the hardest to determine.
See the debates between Max Planck and Ernst Mach
the debate between these two scientists is not a pseudo-science, but an interpretation of the different aspects covered by the word science and thus of a philosophical debate beyond the materialism of certain scientists. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT TALKS LESS! :(
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