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The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby Orpheus » 14/07/18, 11:55

Come on, we have fun.

- I do not take any more salt
- I do not have level of study (well if not)

So we'll say I'm a moron 8)

Until then, nothing new under the sun.

But here is this thing that has almost no culture, champion by the bottom of geography, history or biology ... think! : Shock:

Let's go into more detail: I am in computer electronics and design products. Precision again: I have the chance to love to create so my job fits me like a glove.

My goal here is to talk about reality: everybody knows and uses it.
It is therefore "real".
It is so real that it can kill you as you heal.
Further still: the current what is it? the answer is that we know what he is doing but not what he is.
What amuses me in life is that everything around us looks like it: it seems to seize an object, the look, the hand, by the smell ... but we do not know anything of its true "identity" ". Worse, the more we look for our identity and the more it escapes us: the reality is always dependent on the one who perceives it.
So our electron, base of "electronics" and "computer" does not fit in the hand.
It is not round and clean and, if one could observe it, the next observer would see it otherwise by other means.
In another "reality" the electron "does not exist", it is everywhere a little at a time, it is simply statistically more here than there.

In short, our moron -because, sorry to tell you, but you strongly resemble me- a self-contained picture of his environment, comparing him to a majority of other similar paintings, decides that he is a reality in from which he can enlarge his understanding of the world.
But his picture is wrong at first and today we know it perfectly.
Except that ... without a table, madness is waiting for us so we prefer to build "real existence" on a false basis which we even know some pitfall because, to "move" we must at least be aware of having a position, wrong or not. Sometimes even we continue to use a false painting because we have built too much on it and that it already stands up, it is precisely the case of our electron.
It reminds me of a sentence (because, in the end, everything is joined) about the challenges: "They got there because they did not know it was impossible"

Let's go back to Me, the Cretin.
One day I have a particular experience: after the perception of an insurmountable problem (I should have put "s") and very-very-very hopeless, I had a kind of revelation: on showed me "life", the reality "flowed in me". It was simple obvious, I was then a genius (without the highest qualifier) ​​but while having the impression that I already knew . It's hard to explain, but it's a bit as if what we currently understand, in a "normal" state, was immensely ridiculous compared to the "real" reality. It's more an extreme happiness, a liberation ...

This experience, I know that thousands of people have already lived and it confirms to me, if necessary, that we are all idiots in time "normal".
No need to be a Christian for that: I believe that Christianity like Judaism or Islam are pure scams for obvious reasons. I'm not saying that there are no real or "wise" elements.
By the way, let's take a speaking example "The truth will set you free" , quoted from the Bible.
This is probably true EXCEPT this truth you will not know it as "Earthling", that it has no relation with Jesus or his colleagues Mahomet, Moise ...
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby moinsdewatt » 14/07/18, 23:46

Need a sedative?
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby eclectron » 15/07/18, 09:35

Ben my laPin! : Lol:
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All this is probably not wrong.
But is this true ???
In my opinion, as long as we do not live the so-called revelation, we are condemned to guess, to quibble between suppurs, with the objective, conscious or not, to know the said revelation ... inaccessible rabbit supputeur, since the seeks.
Difficult, if not impossible for a Supputeur to have the certainty that you do not speak as a cretin bunny who wants to be bigger than the ox?
It is not uninteresting to try to do it to test one's agent, to advance.
Finally all this is very personal, between oneself and oneself. : Wink:

A rabbit that passes.
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby izentrop » 15/07/18, 15:38

Coluche said very aptly: "When we see what we see and hear what we hear, we are right to think what we think" : Wink:
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby Orpheus » 15/07/18, 18:54

About this (or almost)
Did you know that Pilate, to whom the criminal Jesus was presented, answered "What is the truth?"
And at these words Jesus did not answer.

You'll tell me that he said it a thousand times (that he was The Truth, Alice's hole, and many other things), but still he did not answer.
Is it because he was speaking in front of a Great Scholar? Because we wrote it was bullshit?
Surely a little bit of both my general.

However, if my words remind you of rabbids, it's probably because you think you're a hunter.
It is easy to conclude that in this case you are as good at hunting as I am at talking about the gods 8)

Let's continue for a moment

Do you know that in our dear Bible, Adam and Eve were blind? it is indeed because of the "forbidden fruit" that their eyes open and that they perceive theother world. Before they saw life simply, black and white, hunter and hunted ...

So again a reflection: the apple was really bad or excellent?
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby izentrop » 15/07/18, 19:39

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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby eclectron » 15/07/18, 21:18

orphee wrote:About this (or almost)
Did you know that Pilate, to whom the criminal Jesus was presented, answered "What is the truth?"
And at these words Jesus did not answer.

Ah, it goes back in my esteem! : Lol: (Jesus!)

orphee wrote:However, if my words remind you of rabbids, it's probably because you think you're a hunter.

: Lol: Not at all voluntary hunter, something else to do but the chance is stubborn ...
Simply listening, observing, necessary qualities on the path of truth.
And then, not resisted a good word all relative (lol), do not see any mischief, everything is about sympathy.


orphee wrote:Do you know that in our dear Bible, Adam and Eve were blind? it is indeed because of the "forbidden fruit" that their eyes open and that they perceive theother world. Before they saw life simply, black and white, hunter and hunted ...

So again a reflection: the apple was really bad or excellent?

Or in nuance? : Lol:
the oscillations towards the extremes stop when one accepts to observe oneself, in totality, but that remains of "one says" for me.
And for you, what is it?
Because only facts and acts really matter, knowledge without experience is rather cumbersome, do not you think?
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby Orpheus » 16/07/18, 07:50

eclectron wrote:
orphee wrote:So again a reflection: the apple was really bad or excellent?


Or in nuance? : Lol:
the oscillations towards the extremes stop when one accepts to observe oneself, in totality, but that remains of "one says" for me.
And for you, what is it?
Because only facts and acts really matter, knowledge without experience is rather cumbersome, do not you think?


In fact, the apple has never étéit is not in nuance either, it is simply perceived by simple minds, so simple that they wanted to affect him palpable properties.
The problem in all of this is that the spirits have no choice but to make the world narrow so that they can find their own way.

Le savoir without experience is absolutely nothing, experience is only an experience that should not be taken as knowledge 8)
That's why there are people who think they know what others have felt ... and that others feel without having ever known : roll:
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby eclectron » 16/07/18, 08:36

@Orpheus
According to other sources, the apple would never have been apple but pomegranate.
the multiple grains symbolizing multiple experiences.
I wanted to say that the apple or pomegranate, allowed to apprehend, to experience the nuance, the multiplicity, by the compilation of knowledge in a reality. Said symbolically of course.

Clinging to a grain of pomegranate is actually clinging to a reassuring vision, because known but is clinging to a narrow vision, there are many other grains.
Here we touch the limitation of cumulative knowledge (knowledge learned and lived experience) which remains always narrow, since imperfect.
It is almost impossible to know all the grains in order to have a perfect vision.
Visibly understanding the truth is possible but we must change the paradigm, agree to go out of the logic of the compilation of the details, in short rise a little, take a step back, feel if you want but there is a risk of error, a risk of questioning that reason does not like to take. In other words, it is to remain a con knowing, actually.
A discharge, hard to get out of the logic of reason and its cumulative knowledge, practiced and promoted for millennia and still refers today in the West, since only this knowledge is quantifiable / verifiable by the said reason.
in short, a behavior quite close to a machine from which it is not obvious to leave, at the risk of falling into an inverse excess, that of total illusion.
It's all about measurement, nuance, gray, you have to learn to master the 2 tools and accept to make mistakes like any apprentice.
I think we understand each other?
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Re: The right of a moron to think otherwise

Unread Messageby Orpheus » 16/07/18, 20:00

Eclectron, I think we understand each other 8)

By cons I'm absolutely not sure that the truth be accessible to us, neither today nor tomorrow.
So far so good ... : roll: but there is worse: I wonder if the truth is useful or even beneficial.

When we have one of these particular experiences where we "perceive" the truth, we also understand that we already knew somewhere .

To illustrate the subject, let's take the example of a gifted autistic.
Suppose he is so gifted in mathematics or something.
In short, he can calculate, project ... except that, in the street (we say in a classic context of any city dweller), he is assailed by a mass of information that he can no longer manage and panic.
It is probably the same for us: the perception of a truth too deep would make us absolutely incompatible with a normal life that requires a certain amount of blindly to allow a field of possibilities.
In addition, if the game calculates that it has no chance against the means of hunters, it will do nothing, so it is condemned while his "unconsciousness" would have allowed him a probability of survival. "Knowledge" therefore kills freedom of choice.
And we see it in everyday life.
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