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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.

Unread Messageby izentrop » 13/07/18, 00:03

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absolutely! This is used constantly and excessively by the state taking cash for the speeches of the labs on vaccines. we can perceive it with the previous minister of health who was totally, definitively, incompetent in terms of biology and therefore of vaccine effects, who followed another, more competent than she since pharmacist, but holding a speech full of confidence on the subject and replaced by another again, totally, definitely, medically competent with exactly the same speech to the comma. Competent attention in the field of medical knowledge, no knowledge of the side effects of vaccines that it denies just as fiercely as those that preceded it and which are nevertheless established, recognized in other countries. Would we be deaf and blind like Pasteur?
After that, to recommend itself of science when the most elementary precautions are avoided by avoiding to the vaccines the criteria of the other drugs (the vaccine is a drug, yes, you did not know it?) Indicated previously: no pharmacokinetics, of carcinogenesis, etc. ... Here you have not answered yet! : Evil:
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.

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Janic wrote:
absolutely! This is used constantly and excessively by the state taking cash speeches labs on vaccines. we can perceive it with the previous minister of health who was totally, definitively, incompetent in terms of biology and therefore of vaccine effects, who followed another, more competent than she since pharmacist, but holding a speech full of confidence on the subject and replaced by another again, totally, definitely, competent on the subject with exactly the same speech to the comma. Competent attention in the field of medical knowledge, no knowledge of the side effects of vaccines that it denies just as fiercely as those that preceded it and which are nevertheless established, recognized in other countries. Would we be deaf and blind like Pasteur?



And let's not forget the slight detail

Not only are there confirmation biases but proven facts:

- the funding of organizations judging the efficacy of drugs of the order of 80% financed by companies (we can even hear from the officials concerned that it is "normal", that "ALL" organizations of this type operate in the same way in France).
In this regard I will also mention a report in Canada where the annual symposium on good nutrition is (it seems to me in full) funded by ... Coca-Cola and Mac Do !! so we can be sure to eat and drink healthy with these two companies 8) at the Symposium we can also drink free Coca as we saw on the film. They are therefore also in altruism.
One can imagine how a judge, paid by a rich criminal, could be honest and impartial ...

- the means of the opposing camp are skinny. If I die of being treated, what means can I have to fight against labs that will be perfectly supportive to defend their huge wallet? Having already experienced a similar situation although in another register, I can assure you that it is almost lost in advance.
For the few thrill-seekers (or suicidal ones of which I am a part) you just risk putting your reputation, your career, your life ... in a garbage bag!

In short, I do not claim that medicine is useless and systematically flawed by "the system", I claim that it is not necessarily honest, intelligent, open and generous.
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In short, I do not claim that medicine is useless and systematically flawed by "the system", I claim that it is not necessarily honest, intelligent, open and generous.
It lacks an emoticon, right? Ah, you want to talk about LA medicine, as Hippocrates thought ?! Indeed, it was not intended for a financial balance sheet and dividends to be paid to shareholders ... philanthropists! : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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orphee wrote:An example: there is about 30 years, my wife, after seeing different doctors, had to undergo surgery of the carpal tunnel because it could not hold anything (and it was months).
Statistically it will be assumed that people with surgery have fewer carpal problems than those who do not have surgery. It's always the apparent side of statistics.

Except that ... talking to a woman about her problem, this woman told her that she had exactly the same problem and that "we" had only been told to stop the milk.
Since it did not cost much to try it tried and ... after a week, nothing! so it's 30 years that she does not have any problem at this level.
It is about this that I thought about confirmation bias, because there is no medical reason except rare cases of intolerance or allergy to have problems with milk, especially associated with a carpal tunnel https://www.passeportsante.net/fr/Actua ... hel-lecerf
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The anti-vaccines are victims of a cognitive bias, it is the science which says it http://www.slate.fr/story/164543/effet- ... ti-vaccins
In a study conducted by the University of Pennsylvania Public Policy Center, postdoctoral researcher Matt Motta says that individuals "not very sensitive to autism" and who lack knowledge of basic facts are more likely to believe that they have more knowledge than the experts. This overconfidence makes anti-vaccine suspicious compared to professionals in the sector. This study conducted on adult 1.310 demonstrated that 34% of the sample estimated to know more than scientists about the possible causes of autism. This figure reaches 36% for those who think they know more than doctors.

Matt Motta's team shows that the least knowledgeable people have the most confidence and are most likely to support inexperienced people, such as celebrities.

To think that the anti-vaccine movement does not represent much is a mistake. The consequences of this attitude are real: this anti-vaccine minority is growing visibly and is more inclined to contract diseases for which it refuses to be vaccinated. For example, according to Dr. Peter Hotezn, Dean of the Baylor School of Medicine: "A social opposition movement to vaccination has grown in the United States in recent years. As a result of the latter, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks.
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izentrop wrote:The anti-vaccines are victims of a cognitive bias, it is the science which says it http://www.slate.fr/story/164543/effet- ... ti-vaccins
In a study conducted by the public policy center from the University of Pennsylvania, post-doctoral candidate Matt Motta says that individuals "not very sensitive to autism" and who lack knowledge of basic facts are more likely to believe they have more knowledge than experts. This overconfidence makes anti-vaccine suspicious compared to professionals in the sector. This study conducted on adult 1.310 demonstrated that 34% of the sample estimated to know more than scientists about the possible causes of autism. This figure reaches 36% for those who think they know more than doctors.

Matt Motta's team shows that the least knowledgeable people have the most confidence and are most likely to support inexperienced people, such as celebrities.

To think that the anti-vaccine movement does not represent much is a mistake. The consequences of this attitude are real: this anti-vaccine minority is growing visibly and is more inclined to contract diseases for which it refuses to be vaccinated. For example, according to Dr. Peter Hotezn, Dean of the Baylor School of Medicine: "A social opposition movement to vaccination has grown in the United States in recent years. As a result of the latter, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks.


Matt Motta:
"Why do so many Americans distrust climate scientists, and what can be done to improve that trust?"

Maybe, dear young gentleman who will emphasize among other things that young people doubt more than the old, the same official science and there is PEU of time-at least in the United States- denied this warming overwhelming majority.
It may also be because studies, including yours, are funded by private funds that do not really have an interest in criticizing the broad outlines, even if they were taken several times in flagrante delicto or, worse, when it is tolerated that food vendors (or weapons) contribute currently to the destruction of their fellows (and the rest).

Another example lived about two months ago.

I have a specialist doctor sister, my "big" sister.
About 30 years ago, when I became more or less vegetarian, I made a catastrophic choice for her and, worse, for my children. Indeed, for her and for the vast majority of doctorsmeat had essential properties for human health.
30 years later so what about me or my children?
They are perfectly fine and I too, especially when we compare for example to those who have "good" puffed (which she and her husband) and do not hesitate to treat because the disease is everywhere of course. The only health care I use is ginger. It must be because I can not afford ... 8) and the worst I've had in the last two years is the nose running for, say, a day.
For those who want to know my magic method: as soon as in my environment I perceive risks I take a few slices of ginger, I grind them into small pieces and I infuse them a few minutes before drinking the liquid.
You feel something in the throat: so take the same slice of ginger (say the equivalent of 1 or 2mm) and chew it, you tell me if the throat does not thank you very quickly (but must recognize that for me , it's very very bad taste).
A gastro approach or touch you? infusion of ginger! That's how I found out, seeing everyone throwing up around me (and feeling the thing coming) and desperately searching the internet for a way to escape. Since then I've never had a gastro effective. Also note that I had then every year the gastro!
If doctors have changed since 30 years? in my opinion yes, before they worried you, now they do not care : roll: I do not have NEVER heard my doctor talk about diet or natural remedy, maybe because I'm going too well 8)


Let's go back to our sheep: my sister does not take ginger and has not changed her diet (in fact though, a little in quantity, since her husband had very big problems two or three years ago), she prefers good medicines and vaccines ... : roll:

The thing I wanted to add is this: so about two months ago I saw my nephew, in second or third year of medicine.
When my wife told him about food he smiled, that little mocking smile that says a lot: he, of course, he KNOWS.
It is the characteristic of scientists: outside of them the world is populated only by people who do not know.

I also knew a head of the clinic-who, however, liked to discuss various subjects with me-who knew.
He knew so well that he also had two children, very intelligent of course, who had to go to school. Anyway it was that or nothing (I could quote something less nice).
Result: the two have disappeared - which did not much affect him especially since he did not raise them - and many years after one had become a DJ, the other not really a genius recognized no more.

Conclusion the "good students" who know do not seem able to apply their own discoveries wisely.
It reminds me of this western movie or the duel begins with a great technical demo knife of one of two. The other, not impressed, takes out his pistol and fires once. The debate is over 8)
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.

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orphee wrote:the same official science and a short time ago - at least in the United States - has denied this warming overwhelmingly.
Source please : Wink:
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July 11 point 2018. (pdf- 860,22 KB)
Key points
  • Rising measles since November 2017
  • Decrease in the number of new weekly cases: rapid since epidemic peak (S-13 to S-18), then stabilization with an average of 40 weekly cases reported (S-21 to S-26)
  • At 08 July 2018, 2646 Cases Reported Since November 6 2017
  • 85 departments reported at least 1 cases, numbers up since last bulletin
  • Since the week 13, decrease in the number of cases in New Aquitaine, no active focus
  • Number of regions reporting active outbreaks down since last bulletin
  • Highest incidence among the under 1 year: 28,2 case / 100 000
  • 22% of reported cases were hospitalized
  • 89% of measles cases occurred in unimmunized or poorly vaccinated subjects
  • 3e death since the beginning of the year 2018 occurred in the region of New Aquitaine in a girl aged 17 years immunocompromised
http://invs.santepubliquefrance.fr/Doss ... illet-2018
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Key points
• Rise in measles since November 2017
• Decrease in the number of new weekly cases: rapid since epidemic peak (S-13 to S-18), then stabilization with an average of 40 weekly cases reported (S-21 to S-26)
• At 08 July 2018, 2646 cases reported since 6 November 2017
• 85 departments reported at least 1 cases, number rising since last bulletin
• Since the week 13, reduction of the number of cases in New Aquitaine, no active focus
• Number of regions reporting active outbreaks down since last bulletin
• Highest incidence among those under 1 years: 28,2 cases / 100 000 inhabitants
• 22% of reported cases were hospitalized
• 89% of measles cases occurred in subjects who were not or poorly vaccinated
• 3e death since the beginning of the year 2018 occurred in the region of New Aquitaine in a girl aged 17 years immunocompromised


It's public health, which means everything!
Presenting raw numbers without post-hoc analysis does not mean anything. When WHO in its report said that vaccination against smallpox had succeeded in some countries (without analysis either) the pro vaccines could have been satisfied because they were right. Unfortunately the positive numbers here and there have been catastrophic elsewhere and non-vaccinators could (and recommend) use it as proof and demonstration of vaccine failures (without further analysis). Seeing the effects without analyzing the causes only repels the right solution such as isolation simple, effective and cheap as the ad says.
Once again an analysis, after all the others, would show that these rough figures are not proofs of truth but simply interpretations.
Already, the distinction between unvaccinated and poorly vaccinated it's a huge statistical cheating. If 88% are poorly vaccinated, for example, it would be that it is this mal-vaccination, it, responsible for these cases and it has already been seen and reviewed well ahead.
Finally, for decades, before the invention of vaccination, the entire medical community recognized measles as an effective means of being immune to LIFE (in contrast to the vaccine with the effects, supposedly advantageous, limited) and that this disease was benign for the majority of affected children (as currently) etc ... and it has actually become problematic through vaccination that has shifted the biological reactions of children to babies and adults, so much more serious or even fatal.
Thus, the BCG vaccination requirement was abolished in 2005 and DESPITE THIS the disease is steadily declining as the authorities notice from 730 dead in 2007 to 520 in 2017, without compulsory vaccinations and the tabloids do not make a patacaisse with every new death. So 3 deaths by measles! : roll:
The other question is: why the measles outbreak is maximum in the Ile de France and much lower, or very low elsewhere?
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