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Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on the water doping

Unread Messageby croustipat » 05 / 06 / 13, 23: 36

A documentary is being filmed from 3 years on the technology of water doping.

You can find all the information by clicking the following link:
http://www.ulule.com/roulez-a-leau/

A subscription application was launched on 31 May until July 24 2013 order to raise money to finish the film. Thank you in advance for your support and feel free to rotate around you.

The movie trailer can be seen on youtube:
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 05 / 06 / 13, 23: 41

Hi Patrick,

I had already made a documentary on your topic here: Water-injection engine pantone / docu-on-doping al-water-builder-car-know-t12565.html passing the message of the email that you sent me.

So this is a bit redundant here but we will leave them open anyway 2 :)

ps: I talked about your documentary on the forum newsletter (sent to 15285 current members), you should manage to finish it :)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby gildas » 01 / 12 / 17, 13: 16

The movie "Water in the diesel"
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby Christophe » 01 / 12 / 17, 13: 37

Cool! But it's still a shame that no member of these forums was interviewed ... Because it is still here that we find the best specialists on the subject! Short...

ps: do not bother to use the URL tag with youtube links (with none for that matter) ... Like this the video is displayed directly in the forum :)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby Grelinette » 05 / 12 / 17, 19: 48

I watched the movie to the end (1 h anyway! It's a bit long when we wait for technical information), but I'm not sure that this little film serves the cause of the Doping in the water .

First because the humorous side, certainly well done and very amusing, comes in contradiction with the seriousness of the subject.

Then because only the last 10 minutes of the film (on 60 mn) give more concrete arguments on the subject and bring some answers but which remain unproven (Cf. the molecules of hydrocarbon which would unroll with the electrically charged water and would burn better, if I understood correctly).

In addition, there are statements that sow doubt: auto mechanics who say that thousands of engineering and design offices work tirelessly to get the smallest% of fuel economy and% gaining power ... while the simple water doping implemented on tractors by a farmer in the depths of his campaign gets tinkering in his small workshop at the bottom of his shed, almost 30% saving on its consumption and gaining power on its engines !!!!!

It would have been more convincing to leave this farmer, who said he had received several teams of automotive engineers, and to dissect his crafts to really know what it was. (Not to mention allusions to the Pentone engineer, his complex personality and who would have been pursued for scams and made some stays in psychiatric hospital ...)

In the end, the conclusion further directs opinions on a possible theory of petroleum lobbies conspiracy and car manufacturers that would do everything to stifle the many benefits of water doping, and every time it is implied that there is A "plot" debate is lost in off-topic considerations with conflicting exchanges. (Can it be a strategy?)

I admit that I am a little bit hungry without knowing what to think of doping with water, especially since a long part of the film tells the bench tests in the laboratory giving results that do not confirm the results. benefits of water doping.
I do not understand the conclusion that standard measurement methods of official measurement centers would not be adapted to the principle of water doping, which would explain why the benefits of water doping do not appear. on measuring bench !!! ...

I hope that the next report will be more focused on the technical aspects of water doping with indisputable measures and results.

This subject is difficult because there are really contradictions, and I do not know how we can prove the reality of this process in an indisputable way.

Perhaps by simply organizing races and shows of vehicles equipped with the water doping system that competes and is measured with similar vehicles without a water doping system?

Why not "The 24h of water doping"?
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby Grelinette » 13 / 12 / 17, 12: 45

Hello,

I reactivate this subject because I note with astonishment that the "extraordinary" benefits of the water doping announced by some are equal only of the lack of interest and the denial which it arouses in the others, including at home. automotive motorists! ... : Shock:

So I come back to my previous comment because I'm looking for an objective explanation, but I can not explain why the bench tests have not highlighted the benefits of water doping !
The answer advanced in the video that "the test benches are not suitable for this type of system"does not seem to me very credible. Does anyone have another explanation?

To determine any advantage of this system, simply measure and compare 3 values ​​(comparison of values ​​with the same engine with and without Pentone * system). Even if only one of the 3 would be advantageous, this system would be worth to be better studied and developed.

In short, with the water doping installed on a heat engine, when is it on:
- The power gain?
- The drop in consumption?
- The decrease of pollution?


(*) A small technical question: water doping requires a water tank, but if the water tank is empty, can the Pentone engine still work?

In other words, can the Pentone system be turned off for the engine to return to its original operation?
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby Christophe » 13 / 12 / 17, 13: 50

I reassure you the engine (at least not too dumb because of nulls it exists ^ ^) are aware of the injection of water, its advantages and disadvantages ...

Grelinette wrote:So I come back to my previous comment because I'm looking for an objective explanation, but I can not explain why the bench tests have not highlighted the benefits of water doping !
The answer advanced in the video that "the test benches are not suitable for this type of system"does not seem to me very credible. Does anyone have another explanation?


I seem to have given it many years ago, so I will repeat myself but it is for the good cause ... thank you for relaying this info (citing this message or econology is better ...)

The water doping works OK (I speak at the consumption level, on the particles it works all the time) only when the engine is very loaded, ie it is asked a lot of power, I would say at least 80% of maximum powerSo, it's huge, on a car of 100 cv it means to ride at 170-180 km / h ... since driving at 100 km / h only requires 20 30 cv power (hey yes ...)

The tests I started on 2005 on a tractor, it was necessary that the muffler is red to measure an effect (memory I think 35% reduction in consumption ... red pot!)!

It is to situate you the thing ...

In short, it takes high temperature for it to work!

Be sure that the builders' engineers know all this (but they do not want to say it ... for some reason I do not know ... follow my look ...:D) ...

This easily explains:

a) The little or no measurable results on cars because we do not pull enough in it (except at big accelerations) + lack of electronic management

b) Lack of generator result because the engine never exceeds 80% load for design reasons (over-sized motor of at least 20% relative to the generator to absorb peak current and avoid engine stall)

c) The good results on the tractors because they can work "in depth"

d) The test bench cycles are rarely done at high load, especially the manufacturer's standard cycles, we just make "peaks" of power so as not to damage the engine (a tractor engine, so industrial engine is designed to run at 100% "all the time", not a motor vehicle) anyway that has access to a real bench to move things forward? That engine manufacturers and they do not want this system ...

e) The use of water injection officially on heavily loaded engines: 2ieme GM fighter, 1 80 formulas ... See:

BMW Megatron: Water-injection engine pantone / bmw-megatron-turbo petrol-1450ch-and-a-injection of water-t14238.html
Injection of water by SAAB: https://www.econologie.com/injection-eau-moteur-saab/
Water injection by BMW in 2015: Water injection-motor-pantone / injection of water-misted-in-bmw-on-a-turbo petrol-t13753.html

f) Last remark: the race to the power of the car manufacturers is, necessarily, not favorable to the use of the injection of water, the engines are less and less solicited

Thank you for sharing this message if you want to get things done ...

Too bad I was not interviewed for this film ... because I would have clearly explained this in person ...
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby Christophe » 13 / 12 / 17, 14: 00

Grelinette wrote:(*) A small technical question: water doping requires a water tank, but if the water tank is empty, can the Pentone engine still work?

In other words, can the Pentone system be turned off for the engine to return to its original operation?


Pantone that is written ... : Shock: but the water injection is not really the pantone system is gillier pantone (a term that was defined here years ago to distinguish it from the "100% pantone" which is a reforming of fuel vapors ), read https://www.econologie.com/synthese-fai ... r-pantone/

To answer your remark, if more water then the injection of water is obviously null:

a) the effect at high temperature is limited to the humidity of the ambient air (not necessarily negligible)
b) there remains an effect of the "cleaning of the water" which will persist some time
c) this effect will stop after a few hundred or thousands of km (depending on engine technology and use)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping

Unread Messageby gildas » 13 / 12 / 17, 19: 19

Christophe wrote:...

Water doping works OK (I'm talking about consumption, on the particles it works all the time) ...


Yes and pollution measurements made on a diesel Fiat (water-doped) at Véritas for the designers of The Econokit is representative of the French car fleet. Well seen the leaders of éconokit!
See here the measurements made on the Fiat:
BUREAU_VERITAS_ECONOKIT_RAPPORT.pdf
(1.63 million) Downloaded times 72

In short: 27% diesel savings and very strong reduction of pollution and engine parts protected from scale. FAP and EGR it can be thousands of euros if clogged! qed ..


Do not forget also the cleaning effect of the engine made by water vapor!

On my Kangoo drop pollution to almost 100% particles with water doping!

Grelinette has only installed a kit to realize the effectiveness of doping with water ..

PS: I do not sell a kit.
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