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Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 22/05/18, 14:10

Total green light on palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

Too bad for the planet: to please Total, but also to Malaysia and Indonesia, the Minister authorizes the import of 300.000 tons per year of this decried product.


It has certainly become a little too easy to be ironic on the rostrum of snakes, which Nicolas Hulot, Minister of Ecological Transition, has been giving for a year. But this one is too big to let pass, it's a boa. Wednesday, with the green light of the minister, the prefecture of Bouches-du-Rhone authorized the Total group to operate a biorefinery on its site of Mède, near the pond of Berre. As of this summer, Total will import at least 300.000 tons of palm oil per year, which represents an increase in French imports of this 36% product.

In July 2017, presenting his climate plan, Nicolas Hulot proposed to "close the window of opportunity that allows to incorporate palm oil in fuels". But as soon as he was appointed, the minister quickly had to backtrack.

A monstrous deforestation

Palm oil has many qualities: it is easy to cultivate, and therefore inexpensive; it is a very stable product, resistant to heat and oxidation; it is easy to "work" in an industrial process. But as we know, it's a horror. Not so much for health, although its saturated fats are not a panacea. To extract it, one indulges in Indonesia and Malaysia (90% of the production) to a monstrous deforestation, in order to plant palm oil.

However, who says deforestation says massacre of the last orangutans and gibbons, destruction of biodiversity, extremely polluting burning, expropriations of villages ... But also aggravation of global warming. Because, as Nicolas Hulot recalled before he was a minister, "deforestation is responsible for 10% of global greenhouse gas emissions". According to a study commissioned in 2016 by the European Commission, palm oil is three times more harmful in terms of greenhouse effects than fossil fuels.

The proportions of this palm oil industry are gigantic. It's not just about adding a few grams to Nutella: palm oil makes up a quarter of all the oil produced in the world. Crisps with mayonnaise, this vegetable fat is present in 80% of industrialized food products and 20% of beauty products. It is used mainly for the fuel industry: in France, 75% of imported palm oil ends up in vehicle tanks.

Nicolas Hulot's decision seems incomprehensible. It is contrary to the interests of French rapeseed producers. It is contrary to the interests of the planet - and there is no "planet B", to paraphrase Emmanuel Macron who swears to have made the fight against global warming his priority. It is contrary to the opinion of the European Parliament, which in January voted to abolish the use of palm oil in fuel by 2021. Finally, it is contrary to what the minister himself thinks in the depths of himself. Asked about BFMTV-RMC, he tried to justify himself by explaining that it was transitory, that he had negotiated with Patrick Pouyané, the boss of Total, so that the share of palm oil is limited and reduced each year to used oils ... But not enough to calm ecological organizations.
Pleasing Total, Indonesia and Malaysia

Why this decision? Two explanations. The first is an effective lobbying of Total, which seeks to save the site of Mède. Patrick Pouyané, the boss, is a fan of Emmanuel Macron: he may have been director of the cabinet of François Fillon, he supported the opponent of the latter during his campaign and he can not stop praising this president which, he says, makes France make "a leap towards modernity". Macron, on the other hand, regards Total as one of the most strategic groups in France.

Second explanation, even more cynical: France sells arms and planes to Indonesia and Malaysia. And these countries threaten not to buy these machines if Paris harmed their exports. To torpedo a French palm oil tax project, Indonesia, in 2016, had threatened not to order Airbus A400M military transport. And according to the "New Factory", Malaysia is doing the same today: it threatens to no longer buy 18 Rafale in discussion.

After the European Parliament voted in favor of banning palm oil in fuels in January, France had already indicated that it would oppose it. It confirms today its very little focus "Make the Planet Great again", to quote the ambitious slogan of Emmanuel Macron. The "window of opportunity" evoked in 2017 Nicolas Hulot remains, alas, wide open and its hinges well oiled.

Pascal Riché


https://www.nouvelobs.com/edito/20180517.OBS6826/feu-vert-a-total-sur-l-huile-de-palme-le-triste-renoncement-de-hulot.html


This confirms the Macron method, the establishment of N.Hulot served as an ecological screen, and with the release of ballast on secondary issues (abandonment of the airport project of Notre Dame des Landes, closing of Fessenheim) the principle remains the same: continue in the worst ...
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 22/05/18, 14:46

Nihil novi sub sun... That's what was Totally (sic!) Predictable.
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Unread Messageby Janic » 23/05/18, 09:25

Nihil novi sub sole ... That's what was Totally (sic!) Predictable.
how's that total ... uh -... We can not trust anyone anymore!
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 23/05/18, 10:42

We can not trust anyone anymore!

Exactly so! These people work according to a very clear logic, just be damn naive to believe their statements when they support arguments that go against the same logic. It is indeed under the guise of good intentions displayed that these determinisms can be expressed: reassuring with one hand and destroying the other ...
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Unread Messageby Janic » 23/05/18, 12:21

It is indeed under the guise of good intentions displayed that these determinisms can be expressed: reassuring with one hand and destroying the other ...
the usual carrot stick to advance the donkeys we are too often! : roll:
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 23/05/18, 13:15

It should not be overlooked that politics is a nest of crabs ... and even vipers.
The abandonment of the Notre Dame des Landes airport project under the leadership of Nicolas Hulot * has cost the latter relatively high, especially in the form of a rumor for sexual harassment on the person of Pascale Miterrand incidentally little girl of the former president of the same name.
If I were paranoid I would say that it is a revenge or a "message" sent to him to calm his very possible ecology.



* Under are impulse but in reality it is mainly to the court of accounts that we must abandon this project, indeed there are in France near 155 airports against ... 45 in Germany (!) Then that the latter has 82 million inhabitants (against 66 in France) for an average income about equal.
In other words, most French airports are not used for anything else but to guarantee the re-election of a few elected officials ...
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 23/05/18, 13:48

We did not want it in the nutella, we will not have it in our tanks.
We are not stopping progress and we are not going to prevent emerging countries from taking their heads out of the water either. : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:

Moreover, this story of deforestation https://theconversation.com/non-lhuile- ... tion-76955
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We did not want it in the nutella, we will not have it in our tanks.

You mean that instead of before ... : Mrgreen:
The article cited admits the importance of the impact of this crop in Indonesia: it is normal that there is more damage where there is the maximum expansion of this crop (and therefore less elsewhere *) ...

But for similar reasons.
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izentrop wrote:We did not want it in the nutella, we will not have it in our tanks.
We are not stopping progress and we are not going to prevent emerging countries from taking their heads out of the water either. : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:

Besides this story of deforestation https://theconversation.com/non-lhuile- ... tion-76955


It's a lobbyist reasoning that you hold there ...
If it is true that palm oil can hardly be held responsible for 40% of global deforestation this does not change in any way that this represents an ecological disaster.
Deforestation is linked to agricultural extension, including grazing for meat production (direct or indirect), urbanization, timber sales and hydrocarbon exploitation.
In all this oil palm plantations represents about 2,5% (growth of 8,5% per annum) of global deforestation, at first it may seem negligible (and it is a good argument for lobbies).
Yes except that 2,5% of global deforestation represents absolutely gigantic surfaces, close to 350 000 hectares just that .. is half of Corsica!

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And all this in areas with a very high level of biodiversity, above the island of Borneo ...
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Unread Messageby Janic » 23/05/18, 15:18

We are not stopping progress and we are not going to prevent emerging countries from taking their heads out of the water either.
this progress is collective suicide. The main source of oxygen production, after the sea, is forests, a sink for carbon that everyone is afraid of.
but you are partially right. One can not make morals to others only when one is without reproach, even here and there France is certainly not a model of virtue.
Nevertheless, this production is not made for the use of the populations themselves, but to make business for the sole advantage of foreign countries that make fun of the future of these populations and their land.
Moreover, this story of deforestation https://theconversation.com/non-lhuile- ... tion-76955

Ah, here is finally a really interesting document and relatively honest, it is extremely rare.
Palm is no longer responsible for 40% of global deforestation but "only" of 40% of deforestation due to intensive agriculture
according to FAO data.
It shows that although the forest areas are increasing netly in the European Union, it has "consumed" 10% of global deforestation between 1990 and 2008, or 732 000 hectares per year via its imports. This "imported" deforestation is 60% due to food imported by the member countries from the tropics: 18% for livestock and meat products and 42% for food and feed crops. These crops include soy (60%), palm oil (12%), cocoa (8%), coffee (4%) and natural rubber (3%). In 2004, "imported" deforestation by the EU came from 48% of Brazil, 9% from Indonesia, 5% from Cameroon, 5% from Argentina and 4% from Malaysia.
The technical report then discusses an overall assessment, by country and by cause of deforestation. We learn that 239 million hectares of forests were cut during the period studied, mainly in tropical or subtropical zones: 91 million hectares in Latin America, 73 millions in sub-Saharan Africa, 44 millions in South-East Asia. East.
Agriculture is therefore the leading cause of global deforestation, with 24% for livestock farming and 29% for crops. The report then gives details of these 29% deforestation due to crops, highlighting the productions that contribute the most to deforestation: soy (19%), corn (11%), oil palm (8 %), rice (6%) and sugar cane (5%).

A close look shows that this deforestation is mainly due to livestock (mainly for export, to feed meat from Europe and Asia and of course the USA) and soybean cultivation (same thing , is not intended to feed the populations of these countries, but is intended for animal feed intended to feed the meat of Europe, etc ...)
The consumption of soybeans in France is 90% intended to feed the livestock and represents in total closer to 4,7 million tons per year or 146 kilos per second (meter) French production of soya represents a very small part of this consumption, or 139 959 tons per year, while imports represent 4,6 million tons. 4 on 10 bought soy products in 2015.
https://www.planetoscope.com/cereales/1 ... rance.html

Eh yes ! most of the deforestation in the world is used to fill the stomachs of people in rich countries. : Cry:
Unfortunately it is not immoral, but amoral which is much worse!
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