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Re: Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

Unread Messageby Ahmed » 25/05/18, 21:18

I forgot to mention econologists * of strict obedience, but I would not like to offend anyone! : Wink:

* I take this opportunity to thank them for their tolerance, which is not the least of their quality! :D
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 25/05/18, 22:06

sen-no-sen wrote:The concept of Universal Income as for it circumvents this problem by pouring (theoretically) to everyone the same sum.
But these are relatively simplistic measures
This is a point of view that I do not share.
I still have not seen the relationship with capitalism, since it is about redistribution of wealth.

The universal income renamed "basic income" is still the taste of the day since 13 departments want to apply it and can even give its opinion http://monavissurlerevenudebase.fr/

An explanatory video of the principle that is not so simplistic:
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 25/05/18, 22:13

Izentrop, you write:
I still have not seen the relationship with capitalism, since it is about redistribution of wealth.

On the one hand we have to look beyond the finality displayed, on the other hand it is about abstract wealth, which is a category specific to capitalism.
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 25/05/18, 23:05

Izentrop if you do not see any relationship between household consumption and capitalism I can not do anything for you .... : Lol:

The basic income does not really correspond to the idea of ​​RU, it is rather here a kind of merger of all the social aids to facilitate the traceability of the aids and the facilitation in their payments.
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Unread Messageby Janic » 26/05/18, 08:49

What is an altercapitalist?
what must be remembered is that it is only an alter_some thing, but simply alter (other) and this other can apply to anything and everything, preferably. After this alter will be more positive (in the humanist sense) or more negative according to a lot of parameters impossible to determine in their totality.
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 26/05/18, 10:30

Janicyou are obviously in confusion! : Lol:
A capitalist alter, as its name suggests, postulates: 1- that capitalism has flaws or disadvantages (until then, I can subscribe! :D ); 2- that with some adaptations, it can work out and everyone can find it (this is the illusory side).
In other words, it is a mode of circular appreciation, very common everywhere because of the specialization of the individuals: it is the immanent side of the reflection which is here reprehensible (even if this word irritates so much Chatelot! : Wink: ).
Every system has its own logic and to make a value judgment about it, it is necessary to go beyond its operating logic. To illustrate this, we quote this maxim: "a hammer-shaped head sees all the problems in the form of nails".
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 26/05/18, 10:46

Janic wrote:
What is an altercapitalist?
what must be remembered is that it is only an alter_some thing, but simply alter (other) and this other can apply to anything and everything, preferably. After this alter will be more positive (in the humanist sense) or more negative according to a lot of parameters impossible to determine in their totality.


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Unread Messageby Janic » 26/05/18, 13:31

"Win the" yes "needs the" no "to win against the" no "" Jean Pierre Raffarin.
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English and I do not get along well, so in the clear?

Janic, you're obviously in confusion!
A little, as usual! : Cheesy: Yet I have only insisted on the use of the term after, ie something other than what is proposed, which does not preclude the use that you make of it. But other, is not necessarily against, but only propose something different and I also think that the altermodialists, the altercapitalists, do not propose to go out of the model, but simply to make changes and there we are, myself it seems, okay.
Is this illusory? So there: What is not? :D
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 26/05/18, 21:43

sen-no-sen wrote:The basic income does not really correspond to the idea of ​​RU, it is rather here a kind of merger of all the social aids to facilitate the traceability of the aids and the facilitation in their payments.
Yes, it's smarter than giving a gift unconditionally.

Finland had experimented in principle for 2 years, but quickly backtracked https://fr.express.live/2018/04/20/la-f ... nu-de-base
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Re: Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

Unread Messageby Christophe » 11/06/18, 19:25



ps: I do not quite understand the reasons for the anger ... the national oils do not have the same properties and uses (except maybe for biofuels ...?) that palm oil that is not produced under our latitude (or in homeopathic doses ...) ...
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