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Unread Messageby izentrop » 23/11/17, 13:10

And if all this story was to make a little wheat on the back of a multinational.
Not very good except that it has made a lot of trouble for farmers and especially those who make the effort of a conservation agriculture and give misconceptions to the consumer. http://imposteurs.over-blog.com/2017/11 ... irant.html
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Unread Messageby Bardal » 23/11/17, 17:09

Still a little new: http://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/ac ... bat-69297/ .

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Unread Messageby Christophe » 27/11/17, 21:03

The big news of the day we had long been waiting for: https://www.econologie.com/prolongation ... ope-merci/ 8) 8) 8)
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 11/12/17, 22:45

Finally, a medium that involves competent people in their debates.
It does not concern the former minister who is the only argument, nor the NGO environmentalist clientelist:
http://www.europe1.fr/emissions/europe- ... 17-3508094
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 14/01/18, 09:31

"Glyphosate? I stopped there 3 years ago! " http://www.agri-culture.fr/article/agri ... il-y-3-ans
But this is not possible for all farmers, nor in all climates and it is expensive in equipment and energy.
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Unread Messageby Janic » 15/01/18, 16:09

Finally, a medium that involves competent people in their debates.
It does not concern the former minister who is the only argument, nor the NGO environmentalist clientelist:
http://www.europe1.fr/emissions/europe- ... 17-3508094

It's interesting this personal notion of competence and incompetence: do you have the skills to judge?
Otherwise the debate was fairly balanced, but the reasons of some are not the reasons of others. On an ecological side, oriented towards the future and the long-term health of the populations, on the other a technical point of view only, without projection towards the future.
If Roundup has been implicated for additives increasing "efficiency" and consequently health risks, it is true that it may not concern glyphosate alone. On the other hand, there does not seem to be (in any case it has not been mentioned) studies on the synergetic effect between the various agricultural products used and which can then induce a carcinogenic or other effect, as for the most synthetic products invented by humans. However, these studies on synergetic effects, or cumulative, are impossible to perform given the complexity and the cost of studies that would be necessary, and over a very long term, these cumulative effects.
So it is haphazard luck hoping that it will not catch the face of generations to come.
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 12/02/18, 00:03

I did not see him pass that one:
... a pro-European President and his Minister of Ecology disagree with the Commission and put the scientific community of an entire country on notice by pledging on his behalf that it is possible to find an alternative molecule to Glyphosate. Kafka would have probably feasted ...

Social networks, new tyranny of information

... The opinion of the "counter pillar" is worth the publication of Newton's work. What makes the Internet both the largest library in the world and the global information bin: a place of impunity where any author can boast of science.
Even our President and his Minister of Ecology
It's even counterproductive in terms of health. Because the perennial grasses it can destroy are often intermediate hosts of pathogens of our crops. These pathogens, which produce alkaloids and toxins that can attack the cells of our brain (ergoline), are anti-nutritional factors, even powerful endocrine disruptors (mycotoxins), or carcinogenic precursors.
https://www.latribune.fr/opinions/tribu ... 62142.html
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Unread Messageby Janic » 12/02/18, 08:52

Attention to the drift of vegetarians
On the eve of the conclusions of the General States of the Food, attention to the fact that the obsession of "healthy eating" does not feed, if I dare say, the drift of vegetarians, vegans, raw food ... who imprison in a set of rules and behaviors in the name of "truth to live longer", even immortality.
We see the favorite argument of the great ignorant.
1. Already the VG are a tiny minority of the population and pose little danger for the huge agri-food lobbie: the elephant is afraid of a mouse!
2. All VG are not pro bio, far from it and especially a large part of the vegans, in France anyway! Which decreases all the "drifts" towards organic
3. Then, the VG increase their vegetable consumption compared to the rest of the population and therefore favor the expansion of agriculture in general.
4. Crudivores (he must not even know what it is) are VG who do not cook their food, which saves energy, not stop feeding!
who are imprisoned in a set of rules and behaviors in the name of "truth to live longer", even immortality.
Same kind of fallacious arguments characteristic of the big ignorant!
The American mega-study of dieticians 10.000 shows that these rules, (that this man thinks he knows but obviously it does not) favor a better general health of populations that are VG that can, eventually, allow to live longer as being a consequence, not a cause.
As for a claim of immortality, this character emphasizes that he takes his fantasies for a reality on the ground! And everything is to match!
The food fear they induce has become a marketing weapon of mass retailers who, in a stagnant market, are competing for new niches of substitution. The guarantee without GMO, without pesticide, without gluten .... Healthy foods and food supplements have become their new El Dorado
The last argument is probably the only part that is realistic about marketing, actually, but not about fear, only about prudence.
with fallacious and truncated arguments.
On the other hand, he takes his desires for a reality. It is not enough to pretend, you have to prove and it is far from being able to do it, obviously!
"Fear is always bad counselor".
My grandmother said, "Fear is always bad counselor". Any reasonable person therefore has the duty to denounce these drifts we are witnessing. Facts are not beliefs and denying them leads our societies to drift. ... Let's not give in to the blackmail of those who use fear for unsavory goals and political orientations.
This is the typical example, again, of a false argumentation. All companies are carrot and stick, whether in this field or others. However, he should clean up in front of his door before asking others to do it. The agri-food industry (which must be distinguished from the farmers themselves, the victims of this industry) has manipulated, to a large extent, this notion of fear of "lack" and therefore led to an overabundance of products and treatments consecutive to an errant agrarian mode.
Let us remain vigilant to the excesses, help to build a society which is based on a real scientific evaluation of the risk and on the mutual trust. Fear is always bad counselor.
A real scientific assessment can only be credible and acceptable if it is really independent of lobbies industrialists, which is not currently the case despite some indisputable progress on this side!
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Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate

Unread Messageby izentrop » 12/02/18, 10:30

Janic wrote:The US mega-study of dieticians 10.000 shows that these rules, (that this man believes to know but obviously it is not the case) favor a better general health of the populations who are VG
The quote might make your remarks a little more believable : Wink:
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