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Water injection in internal combustion engines and the process "Pantone": overview and general information. Clippings and videos.
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Unread Messageby etienne34 » 21/11/13, 08:38

but you could also try to inject steam just upstream of the valve to clean ..... difficult / complicated

Yes hardly possible given the situation. + In the valve and the whole system is Quiche behind the engine, invisible, inaccessible.

reverse the position of the EGR valve so that it is after the exchanger and not before.


The problem is that the valve opens at low engine speed. So it shall prevent vapor happen when one climbs in the towers.
Somehow + general, this is a prob to use the valve at the same time that doping water. Solvent by blocking open (maybe ... to see how the electronic acts).
I think 2 use of the EGR system:
-injecter outgoing fog with a bubbler kind Econokit in the EGR exchanger instead of LDR. He is then shunted -ci. The fog (not steam in the strict sense, but liquid water, if I understand well) is responsible (or simply turns into "real" vapor in the gas spring to be injected air duct conventionally. Problem: loss of function of the exchanger cooling since the fog is warm enough (although I do not know the t ° of the lDR qd it returns if ca is it's the same: 40 -50 °).
Another problem, and that is my lack of chemical XP / phys, fog circulate it to you as well as ds ldr exchanger. Appeal to those who have already tested. otherwise I'll buy can be a occas pr experiment.

-Use the gas out of the egr (dc ds low regimes) to simply enter the bubbler, but it will require a reactor.

Honestly the more I try the steam, the less I feel I understand. All I see is that the settings are so complex (type of metal that will pass through the fog that can reduce pressure ...) I'll take the time in this case. It's worth in any case qd I see all the benefits and potential of steam (I get my upright vacuum steam just now. No I will not my engine will inject ds : Shock: )
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Unread Messageby Flytox » 21/11/13, 21:16

etienne34 wrote:The problem is that the valve opens only low speed engine. So it shall prevent vapor happen when one climbs in the towers.

Of bagnoles I saw some cut near idle and cut all high speed / high load. But the valve remains open (roughly) half speed.

-injecter outgoing fog with a bubbler kind Econokit in the EGR exchanger instead of LDR. He is then shunted -ci.

You're going back into the problem of the gas that is too hot bitch and the intake duct. :x

The fog (not steam in the strict sense, but liquid water, if I understand well) is responsible (or simply turns into "real" vapor in the gas spring to be injected air duct conventionally.


Next build your GILLIER Pantone and engine parameters (speed, load, temperature etc ...) you can have water vapor "pure" (rare, possible?), Or a mixture of steam and droplets water (common), or a mixture of gases (air or exhaust steam + + water droplets (common).

In fact person (in the amateurs) has not really characterized the "steam" works or works best. It would take a laboratory instrumentation ....: Cry: : Mrgreen:

Problem: loss of function of the exchanger cooling since the fog is warm enough (although I do not know the t ° of the LDR qd it returns if ca is it's the same: 40-50 °).


As order of magnitude, the R19, the LDR is 85 °. Econokit the steam outlet temperature is lowest as you say in (40 or 50 °).

Another problem, and that is my lack of chemical XP / phys, fog circulate it to you as well as ds ldr exchanger.


You can also replace the EGR valve with a venturi that sucks the vapors from the Econokit. This will increase the flow of steam and warm it while keeping exhaust.
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Unread Messageby etienne34 » 22/11/13, 17:30

You can also replace the EGR valve with a venturi that sucks the vapors from the Econokit. This will increase the flow of steam and warm it while keeping exhaust.

It means a compressed hose with a collar that joins the neck of the EGR valve ms instead of this one ?!
I like it.
It remains to acquire the kit. Frankly I have very little confidence in the Econokit. I wonder if the reactor is up. But it is true that the alternative to ecopra 750 AC cools the steam :?
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Unread Messageby Flytox » 22/11/13, 22:32

etienne34 wrote:It means a hose Compressed by a collar that joins the elbow of the valve EGR ms instead of this one ?!
I like it.


Blunder is very hot (donf> 500 °) ..... You could leave but the valve stuck open, leaving the exchanger in its place, and put it right after venturi.

It remains to acquire the kit. Frankly I have very little confidence in the Econokit. I wonder if the reactor is up. But it is true that the alternative to ecopra 750 AC cools the steam :?


The bubbler you can do it yourself, you have much more control and flexibility you can optimize its size and location.
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Unread Messageby etienne34 » 26/11/13, 14:14

I believe you have installed on your vehicle doping, flytox. This is a kit or a craft?
If I make myself a bubbler, I can not really make a reactor. But other than simply ecopra has 300 balls spare part, I find not.
Now connect the Gilier to the output of the exchanger,: hard and it makes not cleaning that I will wish for this valve. Finally, there's no quick fix, it'll have to find a way to disassemble.
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Unread Messageby Capt_Maloche » 23/09/15, 16:05

UP!

With Volkswagen trial in the United States 8)
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