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Linky meter: Operating and user manual?

Unread Messageby Christophe » 10/06/10, 14:29

Following this discussion on meter replacement ERDF / EDF electromechanical electronicallyI created this topic to know a little better how this new counter generation, called Linky!

This subject is technical and aims to understand the features and benefits of these new meters but also the risks and abuse that these features could bring! Incidentally, we already read this interesting article http://www.bastamag.net/article890.html recounting the Swedish and Italian case (thank you Gegyx)

Regarding the controversy over the cost of meter replacement, refer to the orginal topic: https://www.econologie.com/forums/compteurs- ... t9744.html

So I began collecting information by a very general extract of S & V from January 2010:

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A datasheet of Siemens electronic electricity meter is available here. It shows the main functions of the electronic counter, the communication "remote" which is the main

First question, what is the carrier of information online linky?

The telephone line or the current? And in case of communication breakdown? The current is cut? : Mrgreen: : Evil:

According to this scheme it is a hybrid system using the electric power line to a relay which pass through the GPRS after:

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Excerpt from datasheet above:

6.2.2 Link Characteristics

The principle of communication is an amplitude modulation in all or nothing from one carrier to 50 kHz. The logic is negative.

- A bit transmitted to "0" corresponds to the presence of carrier during the corresponding time.
- A bit transmitted to "1" corresponds to the absence of a carrier for the corresponding time.
After demodulation, there is a conventional asynchronous link with characteristics
are the following:
- 1200 transmission speed bit / s
- Coding all the information in ASCII format (displayable)
-> 7 bits to represent an ASCII character
-> 1 parity bit, even parity (even)
- A start bit before each character "0" logic
- A stop bit after each character "1" logic


Are some pirates who are going to have a field day !! To be continued ... : Mrgreen:
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Unread Messageby Remundo » 26/12/10, 10:29

An article on Linky via Landis Gyr, an engineering & technical studies in Montlucon

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Unread Messageby Christophe » 02/02/11, 17:09

Extract from the Letters to the Editor on the Linky meters in the last Que Choisir (02 / 2011)

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Unread Messageby Remundo » 03/02/11, 15:51

Linky it may be, like the language, the best and the worst thing ...

It all depends on how it will be used ... and in the context of rising energy prices, appetites will be great : Idea:
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Unread Messageby I Citro » 03/02/11, 21:59

Remundo wrote:Linky it may be, like the language, the best and the worst thing ...

It all depends on how it will be used ... and in the context of rising energy prices, appetites will be great : Idea:
It is primarily designed in an economic logic "antisocial" which goes against the well being of users and their access to energy. It will help remove about 10.000 bullpen jobs counters and number of jobs in billing services. It will allow the operator to cut the power line remote.

In short, the Linky is seen against the trend of dehumanization companies.
When I see that it is impossible to terminate a bank account in my way to the counter, I must write a letter.
Imagine how you will solve a dispute ...
(National information recounted yesterday a subscriber facing a bug EDF has taken him 60.000 € electricity !!!)
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Unread Messageby dedeleco » 03/02/11, 22:19

Accurate and clear citro soon he will have to fight against robots in automated business without nearly all humans become unemployed !!
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Unread Messageby dirk pitt » 04/02/11, 09:06

but certainly as Remundo, I would say that this kind of equipment can be used for better or worse.
the best is that in a future context or there will be enormous strain on energy production and or will be very difficult to keep up with demand, the "smart grid" will be those who will fare less badly ( those who work obviously) by operating a decentralized control and rolling blackouts.
Everything has interest in developing these systems as we are still in the context of energy and opulence or there is time to do so. I knew in Beirut unannounced power cuts daily hours or everyone takes on a very precarious network, that we could come too.
Then the grief cry minds inexcusable the attacks against individual freedoms, and why not the price we pay, why not.
I think this is a spoiled child discussion.
Now, I do not deny that there also have huge financial stakes behind it all but technically, I think the "smart grid" is a good solution.

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Unread Messageby I Citro » 04/02/11, 13:34

dirk pitt wrote:... I would say that this kind of equipment can be used for better or worse.
the best is that in a future context or there will be enormous strain on energy production and or will be very difficult to keep up with demand, the "smart grid" will be those who will fare less badly ( those who work obviously) by operating a decentralized control and rolling blackouts.
Everything has interest in developing these systems as we are still in the context of energy and opulence or there is time to do so. I knew in Beirut unannounced power cuts daily hours or everyone takes on a very precarious network, It could happen to us.
This happens in many countries, including in "rich countries". In some emirates these cuts are made daily in the ghettos inhabited by "migrant workers" (a modern form of slavery) in order not to cause discomfort in rich neighborhoods ...
One can well imagine such abuses at home, but house by house ... through Linky
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Unread Messageby bamboo » 04/02/11, 15:18

[Edit] bad quote, dsl
citro wrote:In some emirates these cuts are made daily in the ghettos inhabited by "migrant workers" (a modern form of slavery) in order not to cause discomfort in rich neighborhoods ...

Use such terms is not very good in my opinion. We must not mix everything except the words no longer mean anything.
Clearly, this is (perhaps) of discrimination, but talk of slavery is inappropriate ...
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Unread Messageby dirk pitt » 04/02/11, 15:29

citro wrote:... One can well imagine such abuses at home, but house by house ... through Linky


I think you're going a bit far.
While we can all imagine, the best and the worst but unless proven otherwise, it is not in this case and I find that "technically" incorporate a PLC chip in all electrical household appliances such as dish washer, washing machines fridge and freezer are a good way to the "efffacer" during queques minutes on a rotating basis at the tips to avoid the blackout.
Personally I see no harm to my individual freedom and no interference in my private life but I'm perhaps not enough "conspiracy theory"
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