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The future of robotics work

Unread Messageby moinsdewatt » 17/09/18, 22:50

In 2025, machines will perform more tasks than humans

AFP 17 / 09 / 2018

Robots will achieve 52% of current business tasks from 2025, according to a World Economic Forum study released on Monday that says "the robot revolution will create 58 million net new jobs over the next five years."

"By 2025, more than half of all current tasks performed in the workplace will be performed by machines, against 29% today," say the researchers of the foundation based in Geneva, known in particular for organizing each year the Davos Forum.

Some sectors will be more affected than others by automation. The report predicts that, by 2022, 75 million jobs could disappear, especially in accounting, secretarial services, assembly plants, customer management centers and postal services.

But researchers believe that 133 million jobs could be created in parallel, mainly in connection with the digital revolution: artificial intelligence, data processing (big data), computer software, marketing ... Developers and specialists in new technologies will be very requested.

"Aviation, travel and tourism industry" project "highest reconversion needs during 2018-2022 period", according to survey of 12 business sectors activity within 20 developed and emerging economies.

"Skills shortages are also of particular concern in the areas of information and communications technology, financial services, and mining and metals."

In the end, "so close to 50% of companies predict by 2022 a decrease in their full-time workforce due to automation, nearly 40% anticipate instead an overall increase in their workforce and more than a quarter expects automation to create new jobs, "says the report.

The concrete consequences for employees are hard to predict, but researchers expect a "huge disruption ... within the global workforce," with "significant changes in quality, location, format and permanence of functions ".


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Unread Messageby izentrop » 17/09/18, 23:57

And that's good, the painful spots robots, it leaves us time for leisure ... Yes it's easy for me who left the job market.
The concern for the future is rather the distribution of wealth to leave no one on the floor ... A big political work in perspective. : Wink:
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 18/09/18, 12:59

On "painful tasks", it should be remembered that this is not the root cause of robotization, but only its public justification.
From a theoretical (but real!) Point of view, robots only create abstract value temporarily, as long as they measure themselves (through the amount of socially necessary work per unit of product) to other units. production that requires more labor, which is the case for less capitalistic structures that either disappear or survive in niche markets.
For large industries, this maintenance is therefore a favorable strategy: in another area following the same logic, that of the cheese factory, an artisanal production, burdened with all equipment "intended to ensure the safety of consumers" (imposed by policies driven by industry) depends on a fairly high price which constitutes a de facto rent for industrialists at much lower costs of production.
You write:
The concern for the future is rather the distribution of wealth to leave no one behind.

This is a delicate euphemism: everyone knows that fashion is to reward first "roped first" ... and hope that a little "trickle" on others! : Lol: Maybe this figure of style impresses some? : roll:
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Re: The future of robotics work

Unread Messageby moinsdewatt » 18/09/18, 20:21

izentrop wrote:And that's good, the painful spots robots, it leaves us time for leisure ... Yes it's easy for me who left the job market.
The concern for the future is rather the distribution of wealth to leave no one on the floor ... A big political work in perspective. : Wink:


What will happen is that a lot of people will become unemployable.

Read Laurence Alexander on the subject.

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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 18/09/18, 20:57

The kind speeches that claim that other trades will be induced by robotics are fairy tales: it may be true at the time of transition, but this reasoning is based solely on the past and the concept of creative destruction is to say at a time when the variety and the mass of goods grew prodigiously, which occulted the dynamics in work.
The constriction of the mass of producers / consumers is the stumbling block of the market and some, to get round the obstacle, advocate the UK. Yet, no need to be a great clerk to understand that this is only a temporary step towards the social annihilation of a growing part of the population. This phenomenon begins to be taken into account because it begins to touch categories that have speech on the place of expression: as long as it concerned only the workers, a philanthropic pirouette said it was for their " avoid heavy and dangerous work "(see above). Unstoppable tip since it concealed the lure of gain under a hypocritical solicitude.
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Re: The future of robotics work

Unread Messageby izentrop » 20/09/18, 02:10

moinsdewatt wrote:
izentrop wrote:And that's good, the painful spots robots, it leaves us time for leisure ... Yes it's easy for me who left the job market.
The concern for the future is rather the distribution of wealth to leave no one on the floor ... A big political work in perspective. : Wink:
What will happen is that a lot of people will become unemployable.
Only to cross the street : Wink:

Ahmed, the unconditional UK does not work, we know.
Universal income activity seems to be taking a few steps in the right direction. the future will tell if it's more efficient and fair than the RSA.
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 20/09/18, 20:46

izentrop wrote:Ahmed, the unconditional UK does not work, we know.
Universal income activity seems to be taking a few steps in the right direction. the future will tell if it's more efficient and fair than the RSA.


Un STREET instead of RSA, white cap white cap ... why not a Multi-annual Income Daily Allowance or RPIJ? : Frown:
The problem lies beyond acronyms, compensate people to prevent them from joining the coalition against the government is the real name of all its economic measures.
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Re: The future of robotics work

Unread Messageby Christophe » 20/09/18, 21:21

moinsdewatt wrote:
In 2025, machines will perform more tasks than humans


Uh it's not already the case with the internet and IT? What's a job?

Just take the case of Amazon: how many page products are viewed per day? How many equivalent employees would it take if each of these products were to be presented in an old-fashioned "counter"?

Same thing for banking? If it took a human to manually note each operation that the bank servers realize TODAY, there would be no more unemployed on earth!

No no it's on: machines are already doing more jobs than humans!

And that's why I defend tooth and nail universal income for years !! Company-and-philosophy / the-back-of-basic-or-income-universal-operation-debat-t11186.html

A machine only needs a few kWh per month to live ... a human more!

Politicians still have not figured this out (or rather if they do not say so) ...
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Re: The future of robotics work

Unread Messageby Ahmed » 21/09/18, 19:21

IT has replaced employees on a large number of tasks, but the work done automatically is indeed much greater than what it replaces: in reality, a number of new tasks never fulfilled by humans have appeared; only automation made them conceivable.
Our society is based on two major interdependent organizational (and not moral!) Principles: work and merchandise. The UK proposes to tackle the growing dissociation between these two aspects, but it is not so simple and it is crucial to understand that this is in fact a transitional measure * intended to anesthetize those left behind. and to provide cheap labor before being able (because of evolution) to abandon them to their plight as soon as it is politically and socially possible.

* What should incite mistrust, in addition to a careful analysis, is the fact of the accession of big capitalists to this option.
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Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 21/09/18, 21:03

The question has already been addressed here: Tomorrow all unemployed?https://www.econologie.com/forums/economie-finance/demain-tous-chomeurs-t13279.html
In the first place it is not robotization that will create unemployment, but more artificial intelligence.
Indeed AI can replace a number of workers without requiring huge costs ... see even free.A contrario the robotization requires significant investments and does not meet some complex tasks, including those related to the Human ergonomics (cleaning, personal assistance, safety), and the price of raw materials, often based on high-tech materials are very expensive.
The era of generalized robotization is not for now, in fact it is much cheaper to make humans work on the cheap for an AI than to automate everything.
This is how companies like UBER ou Deliveroo.
The next phase will be to automate the driving trades, including the airspace, again the AI ​​will do wonders where a food processor would have the greatest difficulty performing the simplest tasks.

Contrary to the rhetoric of some politicians, it is in fact more skilled trades that are put at risk rather than small jobs.
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