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My kitchen garden of the least effort

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 22/06/18, 21:27

Hi, I'm Moindreffor,
Here is my little story, I always gardened, with my father, my grandmother, more or less assiduous. Let's say that I always scratched the earth, until the day when, with the big tile that falls on my head, the disease. No more question for me to be able to dig ...

So here I am at 25 years take my independence, in a house without a vegetable garden, just a small lawn because impossible for me to live without greenery. I squat then the kitchen garden of one of my old aunts, I do digging, but it's not great, I stop quite quickly. I then built my house, on a not too big ground, and I reserved for myself a small piece of kitchen garden.

2 boards of 2m on 8 with a small aisle in the middle. Again I depended on someone to return the land, a land partly made embankment of the construction of my house, so no Top ..., I planted easy things, apples, earth, shallots, onions, zucchini , pumpkin, tomatoes, a little salad, some radish seedlings, beans ...

success was not always there, especially for tomatoes, the Bordeaux mixture works, but do not miss a treatment, if the mildew settles it is not curative

Shortly after 2 I went to a board, and I limited myself to potatoes, beans, zucchini and some tomatoes.

In short I was about to give up completely, and then randomly in a conversation between colleagues, the word permaculture falls, késako? Back at home, I ask my friend Google, and I come across guys with long hair who talk about gardening, in a kind of wasteland, in the middle of jungles where we can see some rather ridiculous vegetables trying to push. I zap, a video, then another, what are there as long-haired guys who make videos, then I come across a title that calls me "the kitchen garden lazy", stack the thing for me who can not do much anymore, I discover the thread, I begin to read and I find myself a little in the history of Didier, like him I can not work the earth ...

Very quickly I think it's for me, I'll try the thing, it's early July, the garden is bumped, some potatoes, but almost empty, I'm looking for hay, I find it easily, small boots, pile what I need, and that's the adventure begins ...

I'm given tomato plants, I buy the last plants of pumpkin, cucumber, zucchini and cabbage that I find, in short I start mid-July, without any conviction, but the idea I like, I try, I do not even ask me whether it will work or not, Didier gives me the opportunity to remake the garden independently, so I go for it, if it works at home, it will work at home

in parallel I start reading the 500 pages of the time ...

it's only a year old.

good it's good for today, following another day
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Re: My kitchen garden of the least effort

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 25/06/18, 18:05

I spread the hay, between the feet of tomato and on the parcel "empty" of vegetables but very encumbered by an enormous foot of mulberry tree. I transplant my pumpkins, my zucchini, my cabbages, and then in the heat wave, already that all these plants suffered from having delayed in their pots, they were more yellow than green ... No bad I have water, I water. They will eventually resume a beautiful green color, but it was long.

Following my reading of Didier's thread, I look around and I find, a huge source of fake "BRF", I bring back to reload my mulch of bark of peins in the pleasure garden and I put it in the vegetable garden where there is nothing. I tell myself I'll put lawn clippings to make up for the lack of nitrogen, except that with the heat wave, well no clippings.

I sow beans in the ground and in pots and I do not do much except water the mulberry tree, which needs water as Didier says, what he describes I had lived the previous year, big promise of flowers, but harvest little sorrow, for lack of water, fruits abort.
I prepare lettuce for transplanting into a bucket, and I perfect myself in transat ...

In the end, small crop of zucchini, 2 or 3 pumpkins, cabbages ran out of food and were long delayed by the invasions of caterpillars. Tomatoes planted very late yielded some fruit before being affected by downy mildew, comparable bean crops whether planted in the ground or transplanted.

The cold September did not allow a good development of my salads, the endive and endangered farceas were also ridiculous, and my trials of lamb's lettuce and white onions in pans gave nothing. more.

In short a record, very poor at harvest level, but quite positive vis-à-vis my observations. All that Didier presents us, well it happens, we see it at ground level, at the level of vegetables. But when you start from a distance, especially at ground level, do not expect miracles. We just have to say that we will do better the following year ...

This year I have the hay, I read the book, I am motivated and ready! But life is not a long calm river and everything does not start as planned ...

There I come back from the host, must I get a drip of coffee and a little sunbed, so to follow ...
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Re: My kitchen garden of the least effort

Unread Messageby Did67 » 25/06/18, 19:02

Tell me: you have not had less than before anyway ??? Even if it was not all you expected ...

I have some failures too, of course, even if basically I have the impression that the main thing succeeds without efforts ... Without doubt I am not aware of the necessary part of learning for some who try to do like me. At home, it is not innate, but I reason immediately according to the mechanisms that I describe. And often, probably, I anticipate without even realizing it. That helps.
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Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 25/06/18, 20:29

Did67 wrote:Tell me: you have not had less than before anyway ??? Even if it was not all you expected ...

I have some failures too, of course, even if basically I have the impression that the main thing succeeds without efforts ... Without doubt I am not aware of the necessary part of learning for some who try to do like me. At home, it is not innate, but I reason immediately according to the mechanisms that I describe. And often, probably, I anticipate without even realizing it. That helps.

no worries, if the results were poor it is mainly because I transplanted plants that had waited for me a long time in the garden, they were yellow for fear of languishing on their display, what I can say c is that they have found a beautiful green color and given a small production.

so I had more than the year before when I had only 3 feet of zucchini, which had given me almost nothing, there I had some nice zucchini and even if none went at the freezer, it's because we have eaten everything as we go.

I was hoping for no results in fact, I was in observation, and I was more than satisfied, I saw life come back in my garden and vegetables that grow, but starting from mid-July we can not not hope for miracles, after as I said life is not a long calm river and so between what you expect and what you can do sometimes is a big shift

as soon as I have more time I make you the beginning of this real first year of phenoculture, although ...
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Re: My kitchen garden of the least effort

Unread Messageby to be chafoin » 26/06/18, 01:58

Did67 wrote:No doubt I am not aware of the learning needed for some who try to do like me. At home, it is not innate, but I reason immediately according to the mechanisms that I describe. And often, probably, I anticipate without even realizing it. That helps.
Yes it is surely true. Looking at the videos and reading the book, I really felt all the knowledge and experience of your agronomic experience. But with your provocative "lazy" tactics that I intentionally caricature like this: I roll out hay on the meadow, I plant and I'm going to drink a beer on the deckchair while waiting for the harvest, I fear some disappointments for a whole public who for example, would like to start a little "ingenuously" in a first small vegetable garden (I say that without gossiping) or who would approach this from a distance. The affect of the fashionable lazy culture that we find here and there is not new and it is sometimes, in my opinion, akin to magical thinking. This is what I called hooray gardening. We must now let nature: I balance seeds and they will demeraderont well! it can work, it's true but without wanting to make the bird of ominous, it may be tragic because your approach seems to me very far from that in practice despite the effects of discourse in this direction. In fact, there could be an opposite effect: disappointments, sneers and reinforcements of traditional practices or new ones justly "combated" ...
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Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 26/06/18, 08:10

Did67 wrote:Tell me: you have not had less than before anyway ??? Even if it was not all you expected ...

I have some failures too, of course, even if basically I have the impression that the main thing succeeds without efforts ... Without doubt I am not aware of the necessary part of learning for some who try to do like me. At home, it is not innate, but I reason immediately according to the mechanisms that I describe. And often, probably, I anticipate without even realizing it. That helps.

I understand the remark of being chafoin, but that's where we have to be a little autonomous, Didier presents us a way to collaborate with the living beings of the ground, so as not to have to work the earth, in no way presents market gardening techniques.
I think that the amateur who embarks on gardening, whether phenoculture or traditional culture, will have the same disappointments if he does not invest a minimum intellectually and physically in his garden.
intellectually because to believe that throwing a few seeds into the ground is enough to get enough to fill full baskets is illusory
physically, because even if in phenoculture one does not work the soil, one must nevertheless be present to manage for example the slugs

throw seeds in the ground and have a wonderful development, we are in Jack and magic beans (yesterday on TV precisely)
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Unread Messageby Did67 » 26/06/18, 10:17

to be chafoin wrote:But with your provocative "lazy" tactic that I caricature so intentionally: I unroll hay on the meadow, I plant and I drink a beer on the deckchair while waiting for the harvest, I fear some disappointments for a whole public who for example wishes to launch a little "ingenuously" in a first small kitchen garden (I say this without gossip) or who would approach this from a distance. The affect of the fashionable lazy culture that we find here and there is not new and it is sometimes, in my opinion, akin to magical thinking. This is what I called hooray gardening. We must now let nature: I balance seeds and they will demeraderont well! it can work, it's true but without wanting to make the bird of ominous, it may be tragic because your approach seems to me very far from that in practice despite the effects of discourse in this direction. In fact, there could be an opposite effect: disappointments, sneers and reinforcements of traditional practices or new ones justly "combated" ...


This may surprise, but I agree!

I found myself embarked, "unbeknownst to my own free will," in a contradictory adventure. The "old", but they are rare, know that the Potager du Sloth was first and foremost my garden to feed me. I mentioned it incidentally here, on a thread called "direct seeding in agriculture: possible or not" (or something like that). I testified that we could produce a lot by not working the soil. This was detached by remundo, and became the main thread "Le Potager du Sloth: produce more than organic without tillage" with the success we know (which I was very far from suspecting!). And then phil53 suggested me to make videos, so that people can see. I was initially reluctant. And then it took the turn that we know. One day steph72 phoned me to know if I was ready to confide in La Ferté-Bernard. Oh, why not! And here I am solicited elsewhere. Some here or "mp", suggest me to "better summarize my ideas in a book" because on econology, it is messy and "illegible". I drag first feet, then throws me. Last summer, back from the holidays, a comment on YouTube catches my attention "I am editor, how can I contact you?". She was the director of Tana.

If I recall that, it's because I feel that all this has fallen on me a little bit. Hence the "I found myself embarked ...". And not a coherent strategy. If I had, from the outset, the intention to make confs, write a book, etc., I probably would have communicated differently! Of course, I looked for it !!!

a) To be perceived, listened to, I had to provoke. To provoke the spirits, the conventional ways of thinking (in conventional, in my mind, there is "conventional chemical", but also "conventional organic - with tillers, pesticides" natural therefore allowed in organic ") ... That fell well: you noticed it, I like it!

b) As a result, I forced the line. Caricature. I did the show.

c) What paradoxically brought me closer to certain "permaculturists", which I also criticize the weakness of the scientific argumentation and the side "mode" at best, "religion" at worst.

d) And, indeed, I probably risk creating a wave of disappointed ...

So I'm "reframing" all this, correcting the shot ... And now that I do not have to "show off" to be known, I'll go to a "comm" fairer, more precise. Look at the last video, there are almost as many "negative", "problems" as positive. The crop is already in progress.

So we pretty much agree.
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Unread Messageby to be chafoin » 26/06/18, 11:05

Super ... As far as I'm concerned I remain convinced of your "good faith" and your approach in general, if it is well understood. Although I remain critical in some ways, you have managed to persuade me to change the way I garden and in addition I do it with a certain pleasure. Of course I could only judge the "results" but knowing that I consider that the main difficulty of the garden is the discouragement that regularly hit the gardener (in front of the scale of the task, after a failure or a ravage any climate or other ...), I think for me it's already won! This is a little paradoxical compared to what I said before, but there is a positive triggering slope (even for those pure beginners we talked about: at least it will make them a first experience ...). By cons it is done with certainly a "less effort" (to return to the subject of this thread) physical that is far from negligible, but certainly not with less investment time or other. But here it is only my vision, my way of appropriating the phenoculture and my short experience that speak ...
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Unread Messageby guibnd » 27/06/18, 00:37

Moindreffor wrote:... because to believe that throwing a few seeds into the ground is enough to get something to fill with full baskets is illusory ...
throw seeds in the ground and have a beautiful development, we are in Jack and magic beans

I do not underestimate the beginner's luck!
Here, a funny thing with my potimarrons that I planted one by one in large cups on my warm layer and transplanted in my field, they ended up 3 / 4 eaten by the slugs.
At 2 meters away, pumpkins have sprouted spontaneously on the hay; these are the last pumpkins that were not eaten this winter and rotted and I carelessly balanced on the hay in spring ... And bin those there, the slugs do not even touch and they look good next to my plants that I had pampered : roll:
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Unread Messageby guibnd » 27/06/18, 00:54

Did67 wrote: I found myself embarked, "unbeknownst to my own free will," in a contradictory adventure. The "old", but they are rare, know that the Potager du Sloth was first and foremost my garden to feed me. I mentioned it incidentally here, on a thread called "direct seeding in agriculture: possible or not" (or something like that). I testified that we could produce a lot by not working the soil. This was detached by remundo, and became the main thread "Le Potager du Sloth: produce more than organic without tillage" with the success we know (which I was very far from suspecting!). And then phil53 suggested me to make videos, so that people can see. I was initially reluctant. And then it took the turn that we know. One day steph72 phoned me to know if I was ready to confide in La Ferté-Bernard. Oh, why not! And here I am solicited elsewhere. Some here or "mp", suggest me to "better summarize my ideas in a book" because on econology, it is messy and "illegible". I drag first feet, then throws me. Last summer, back from the holidays, a comment on YouTube catches my attention "I am editor, how can I contact you?". She was the director of Tana.

If I recall that, it's because I feel that all this has fallen on me a little bit. Hence the "I found myself embarked ...". And not a coherent strategy. If I had, from the outset, the intention to make confs, write a book, etc., I probably would have communicated differently! Of course, I looked for it !!!

a) To be perceived, listened to, I had to provoke. To provoke the spirits, the conventional ways of thinking (in conventional, in my mind, there is "conventional chemical", but also "conventional organic - with tillers, pesticides" natural therefore allowed in organic ") ... That fell well: you noticed it, I like it!

b) As a result, I forced the line. Caricature. I did the show.

c) What paradoxically brought me closer to certain "permaculturists", which I also criticize the weakness of the scientific argumentation and the side "mode" at best, "religion" at worst.

d) And, indeed, I probably risk creating a wave of disappointed ...

So I'm "reframing" all this, correcting the shot ... And now that I do not have to "show off" to be known, I'll go to a "comm" fairer, more precise. Look at the last video, there are almost as many "negative", "problems" as positive. The crop is already in progress.

So we pretty much agree.

This journey made of a combination of circumstances and spontaneity, where you found yourself embarked ... and we with it, it is perhaps that which pleased precisely.
A more studied com, a coherent strategy ... must see ...
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