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The garden of a lazy we occasionally.

Unread Messageby olivier75 » 01/04/17, 21:01

Hello,
I begin my train of the gardens we.
The first two plots 50m2 is the historical garden of the house.
I have taken it from 2011 with a very irregular presence, a we between 2 weeks and 4 months, including in season.
We are now hoping for an all 3 weeks and a little holiday.
The second of 300 m2 started largely in phenoculture in the autumn, without access to water and on clay limestone soil of 12cm.

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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby olivier75 » 02/04/17, 11:43

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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 02/04/17, 18:04

olivier75 wrote:The second of 300 m2 started largely in phenoculture in the autumn, without access to water and on clay limestone soil of 12cm.


Hi,

You had presented the preparations for your new vegetable garden this fall, but I had not retained that it had no access to water.

It seems to me particularly interesting because on the one hand a bit like you I am not always present (although in the summer season it is very rare that my absences last more than two weeks and that I still have a " Relief "in case), and on the other hand I think (if I am wrong, so much the better) that the episodes of restriction of water could in the future become more and more frequent and / or more extensive on the territory .

Building resilient gardens with respect to water restrictions (or the physical impossibility of watering) seems to me important, it is one of the points that led me to the mulching of the soil before even That I do not discover this blog, because I think that even if it does not necessarily reduce the needs, it at least smooths the contributions by reducing losses by evaporation.

The object is not, in my opinion, to hope for miracles, vegetables need water, but again to build resilient systems where they manage to survive a prolonged dry spell.

You told us I think what you thought to grow on this new vegetable garden, but I confess I no longer remember.

Good luck!
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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 02/04/17, 19:27

sicetaitsimple wrote:
The object is not, in my opinion, to hope for miracles, vegetables need water, but again to build resilient systems where they manage to survive a prolonged dry spell.



In addition, the idea of ​​reducing (in number) the number of waterings, which I personally consider to be a chore in summer given my zero degree of automation (watering as long as it There is water in the collecting tanks and then passage to the garden hose).
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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby olivier75 » 02/04/17, 19:28

Sicetaitsimple,

Without access to running water, there is a tank of 1000 l on an old mossy roof of 8m2, it should be full this month, and I hope the equivalent of a fill on the summer, 2000 L to the year.
Have already passed the winters;
Aulx, onions, shallots, dandelion.
Have been set up this spring;
Potatoes, beans, peas.
Are planned for the summer,
Carrots, beets, beans, tomatoes, corn, cucurbits.
Are planned in 2e fall culture, winters;
Spinach, salads, turnips, carrots, radishes, peas, green manures.
And I will adapt according to the various successes.
It does not really see but I will try to make permanent boards by letting more or less push the aisles.

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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 02/04/17, 19:55

olivier75 wrote:Without access to running water, there is a tank of 1000 l on an old mossy roof of 8m2, it should be full this month, and I hope the equivalent of a fill on the summer, 2000 L to the year.
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Yes, with 8m2 roofing we do not go far ..... Memory, with +/- 70m2 roof and a garden of about the same size, in 2016 early August I was dry in Normandy but with Only 2 * 3001. Well, there may be some thunderstorms that help, maybe it is the case in the Aube.

I think we had already mentioned your permanent boards, I think I had mentioned the book and the videos of JM Fortier, it is indeed a concept that I like very much although it is complicated to implement When there is little room. But if we have enough, it is really from my point of view a trick to study in terms of optimization of work, fertilization, ....
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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 02/04/17, 20:33

olivier75 wrote:

Have already passed the winters;
Aulx, onions, shallots, dandelion.
Have been set up this spring;
Potatoes, beans, peas.
Are planned for the summer,
Carrots, beets, beans, tomatoes, corn, cucurbits.
Are planned in 2e fall culture, winters;
Spinach, salads, turnips, carrots, radishes, peas, green manures.
And I will adapt according to the various successes.
It does not really see but I will try to make permanent boards by letting more or less push the aisles.

Olivier.


Winter and spring, it should go I imagine if it is raining "normally".
Summer, it's a little lottery ... A bit dubious even if you do not really have a way to water.
Autumn winter, must see. Do not forget to make m2 of lamb's lettuce!

The mash is (for me) a great enemy of the phenoculturist! It's so easy to make and resistant in winter! But during that time, the plots are not covered .... Or you have to make the lamb in line in the cover but hey, I understand that even Didier had given up.
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Re: The lazy vegetable garden a we occasionally.

Unread Messageby Did67 » 02/04/17, 22:50

sicetaitsimple wrote:
Or you have to make the chew in line in the cover but hey, I understand that even Didier had given up.



Indeed. I prefer to rake what remains of hay at the end of the summer crop (eg beans) and sow on the fly.

As a result, I get a mixture of mash and weeds, which also rises.

I harvest the chew and ... I iron a roll of hay to control the weeds and pull them down. And in this part, I plant (plants grown in buckets), under total cover which "eradicates" the weeds that had taken.

It is simpler than reloading in hay and cutting out furrows, before sowing the chew ...

Today, weeds are much less scary than at first ... The more I go, the more I think gardening with (and reducing the external input of hay).

I have since realized that a living canopy collects solar energy, produces "energy" organic molecules, injects them into the soil (via rhizodepositions) and thus "nourishes" soil organisms In the rhizosphere. My objective is no longer to have a permanently covered soil to control All the time The weeds, but only once in a while (so that a fallow does not settle) or only when the cultivated plant is not competitive ...

In short, it becomes more complex ... For now, I talk about it rather little because:

A) I have already had enough difficulty passing the idea of ​​"phenoculture" (against the idea that one has to work the soil, that it must be clean, or against construction - harmful to me - of buttes)

B) I still experiment a lot and prefer to speak only what I'm pretty sure ...
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