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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Ahmed » 19/09/18, 20:05

The validity of an affirmation must be understood for a certain domain, an area which must be carefully specified, unless it is very obvious (which itself varies according to the audience).
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Unread Messageby Did67 » 20/09/18, 10:06

Certainly.

But there is nevertheless a "corpus of concepts" normally accepted by a given community (for example, people who speak French in France): the dictionary. It specifies the commonly accepted meaning of words. We do not specify each time - we are usually content to specify "senses little used" or words rarely used ...

There, it seems to me that there was no need for Drosophila sodomization. Unspecified "terrestrial biomass" means "terrestrial biomass". And then the claim that earthworms account for 80% of this biomass is stupid.

"Terrestrial": that's what Larousse says:


Who belongs to our planet, the Earth: The terrestrial attraction.
What is happening, what is happening on earth, as opposed to heaven: Our earthly life.
Who lives or grows on the solid part of the globe (as opposed to aquatic, marine, etc.): Terrestrial animals. Terrestrial plants.
Which is established on the ground, as opposed to the air or the sea: Land transport.
Literary. Which is material, temporal (as opposed to spiritual).
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Unread Messageby Ahmed » 20/09/18, 12:23

Without disturbing Drosophila, it should be noted that the qualifier of terrestrial refers to Earth, but also by semantic approximation, on land (which is much more restrictive, especially if had been specified "arable"); and at a time when there is a lot of "artistic" vagueness about language, it is not surprising that misunderstandings result.
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby to be chafoin » 20/09/18, 12:32

ChristianC wrote:Against the false news, nothing like certain headings recently put in place by the media:
So about earthworms :

Is it true that earthworms account for 80% of terrestrial biomass?
Interesting article, I note in particular:

A study of the Participatory Observatory of Earthworms (University of Rennes 1) for the National Observatory of Biodiversity finds figures of individuals per square meter ranging from 149 in the forests to 421 in the grasslands through 163 in the vines and 280 in the gardens.


So the double number of the forest to the meadow, for the benefit of the latter, which does not correspond to what one might think at first glance. And that goes in the direction of Didier: it is necessary to associate the vegetable cultures with the open spaces, rather than with the ecosystem of the forest. Yet we should see what types of worms are involved each time ...

I also note the low specificity of the vines but it would be necessary to know if it is due to the treatments which one knows it are very harmful for the earthworms ... Is one also as few earthworms in a vine of " natural wine "?

Finally the quantity of gardens, intermediate ..
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 20/09/18, 15:11

I did not look at the document ... I am too scattered.

1) I guess these are average data, reflecting a lot of situations.

2) The grapevine is not only treated with copper, with accumulations far exceeding the toxicity thresholds for worms. It is still, even if it evolves, too often conducted "bare land" ... All in all, it amazes me that there are so many worms on average.

3) Ditto for the gardens, mostly still driven "bare land" and worked on the tiller. The figure astonishes me too (that there are so many!).

4) The forest is a poor environment, except the carbon fibers (lignin, cellulose), which do not feed the worms well.

These average figures clearly show us the way: put hay and stop working the land! Hey, that reminds me of someone!
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby denis17 » 21/09/18, 11:55

Good news, it's finally raining : Wink:
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Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 21/09/18, 12:05

denis17 wrote:Good news, it's finally raining : Wink:
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here too a nice rain and long enough, then back from the sun, my hay will appreciate, he will share it with my scaroles and curly, but especially with my celeriac rave
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby cham65110 » 21/09/18, 12:23

Hello and sorry to cut your conversation,
New on this forum, I try to learn a little more about this method but 1197 pages it will take me some time :P
I am very interested in the method and the principle. I have since 2 years now a garden in the Pyrenees, 800 m altitude.
I love spending time in my garden and harvesting my own vegetables, but unfortunately I do not have enough time to take care of it properly!
Last year was therefore my first test ... there were some difficulties and missed! This year was not better, invaded by slugs, all my seedlings were devoured! So I have a lot of work to do to save some crops ...
Of course I worked my garden by returning the land ... only my potatoes was on the ground and covered with grass clippings and a kind of BRF recovered at the waste dump green.
For next year, I would like to move to the method without turning the earth.
But I ask myself questions:
- My crops this year have had a hard time growing up: some have kept the same size since planting until today (eggplant, chilli among others). Do you know what it can be like?
-I intended to smoke my garden. Is this possible and useful if I finally put hay? and how can I proceed? (I want to clarify that my garden is located partly under a tree ... and on a plot or a kitchen garden was already present a few years before we buy the home: the land is it impoverished?) .
In short, full of questions that will come as and when, but I hope to embark on a culture without turning the earth;)
Thank you
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby nico239 » 21/09/18, 12:25

Moindreffor wrote:
denis17 wrote:Good news, it's finally raining : Wink:
Denis

here too a nice rain and long enough, then back from the sun, my hay will appreciate, he will share it with my scaroles and curly, but especially with my celeriac rave


All ends up coming ...

At home we must attack the 3th week without rain but for once we do not complain ...
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 21/09/18, 13:04

cham65110 wrote:Hello and sorry to cut your conversation,
New on this forum, I try to learn a little more about this method but 1197 pages it will take me some time :P
I am very interested in the method and the principle. I have since 2 years now a garden in the Pyrenees, 800 m altitude.
I love spending time in my garden and harvesting my own vegetables, but unfortunately I do not have enough time to take care of it properly!
Last year was therefore my first test ... there were some difficulties and missed! This year was not better, invaded by slugs, all my seedlings were devoured! So I have a lot of work to do to save some crops ...
Of course I worked my garden by returning the land ... only my potatoes was on the ground and covered with grass clippings and a kind of BRF recovered at the waste dump green.
For next year, I would like to move to the method without turning the earth.
But I ask myself questions:
- My crops this year have had a hard time growing up: some have kept the same size since planting until today (eggplant, chilli among others). Do you know what it can be like?
-I intended to smoke my garden. Is this possible and useful if I finally put hay? and how can I proceed? (I want to clarify that my garden is located partly under a tree ... and on a plot or a kitchen garden was already present a few years before we buy the home: the land is it impoverished?) .
In short, full of questions that will come as and when, but I hope to embark on a culture without turning the earth;)
Thank you

a good summary of this thread found in the book of Didier, the kitchen garden lazy, it is not mandatory, but it sums up very well and it's really a pleasure to read
if you have a tree in the middle of your garden, it will not help, I have boxwood around and everything on the edge does not really grow, but I have a big deficit in MO, so I will compensate this fall by adding more or less thick manure depending on my rate of laziness : Mrgreen:
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