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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 17/06/18, 10:58

Did67 wrote:There, I was talking about direct seeding in the furrows.

Moreover, but it is not a "problem" in the sense that it is solved, indeed, my seedings made in plates or buckets with a common ground ("without mark") of trade remained puny. But then really puny, to the point that I transplanted fine onions like knitting needles, or celery stage 2 true leaves (it's tiny) ...

The question of the irregularity of the seeding in line (in particular, of me carrots) remains posed: slugs, which plane close to the ground (see slightly under the ground) at the time of the raising or "anti-germinative effect" of the hay that breaks down, or lack of light at the bottom of the furrow of hay ?????? Will have to "search" and identify the cause in order to fix it! The transplant test of very small carrots prepared in seedbed is conclusive at the recovery level. We have to wait for the harvest to see what shape the carrots will have!

I tested the seedling plate, not very conclusive, it requires some control, and some tracking, it dries very quickly, maybe too fast for me, so to see at home
paysan.bio, had said that it worked well for carrots, so the first stages, sowing and transplanting, you are valid, we will wait for the harvest with impatience so
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 17/06/18, 11:08

what do you use as potting soil?


I speak of seedlings in the ground so without potting soil.
last year I had the same problem with the beans, but I had it settled (or so it is chance) by putting ferramol with the seeds (so under the soil). I tried this year but it does not work.
FYI, I tried with different bean seeds (several different packages) so I do not think to question the seeds.
I have resemé beans on what remains of my mounds where the earth is drier. If it gets better it could be a problem of humidity at ground level.

ps: my sowing in a bucket (like tomatoes for example) have not been as successful as the other years; I can not say if it is the soil that is in question or the quality of the seeds (I make my own seeds).

maybe after all this is not a good year (although in neighboring gardens it is not a problem.
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 17/06/18, 12:34

In any case, it is a different year: no compromising frosts [I regret not having 8 tomato feet in my greenhouse closed; last year, everything was burnt by the frost of 21 April; this year, I have my first tomatoes, but 1 or 2 only per foot!], a lot of water these last weeks but "hot" ...

Last year's findings do not apply this year, and those of this year probably not next year. The "global warming", if it does not translate to "heat / humidity" this year, translates mainly to greater "agitation", and therefore something more unpredictable - tropical rains in May are also likely last snow end of April ! With that, the "averages" do not want to say much anymore.
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 15/07/18, 14:53

After long studies conducted on my bean sowing problem I found the answer (in truth I read something on the forum I think and I found the same thing at home, so I use it) :
I unearthed a seed and found a kind of white slug (and of course a slimy slug) that drilled a hole in the seed to devour it from within. It seems that is the larva of a butterfly (I did not remember the name). This butterfly would be attracted by other plants that I let voluntarily rise ... to attract butterflies and other browsers.
What's good, now that I know this, is that I know that if I sow my beans later I have no problem because butterflies only lay once a year (to check)

By cons there is still a mystery: what eat the heart of my cauliflower? there is not one spared (they are planted at 4 vegetable garden corners)?

On another note, this year's haymaking is a good vintage in terms of quantity: I think I'm pretty good for the year and maybe even with a bit of luck for the start of the season next year (I can still get one or two small trailers at someone's home and all for free)
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 15/07/18, 15:31

Yes, "elsewhere" and I do not know where, I described my disappointments on the early planting of peas [except in the greenhouse this year - probably the butterflies do they go there or very little!] , after a lot of scratching and hacking, I could indisputably attribute to the pillow-shaped caterpillars of a family of very common butterflies called "Lychaenids" (it includes butterflies such as "copper" and the "azure", of very average size: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azur_estival ; https://gepaauvergne.wordpress.com/2017 ... re-commun/).

Yes, I too, I look forward to the "biodiversity", before making the costs!

I still have difficulties with carrots, and I still have not found any "cause" identified (even if the first seedlings are victims of slugs - but once the "population" decimated, I remain with difficulties Only late sowing - about a fortnight ago - I have to water the sap with a satisfactory regularity.I come an hour ago, under the first drops of storm, to throw seeds where I had Harvested shallots, after having cleared the hay with a hook, all in 5 mn ... We'll see! There are late varieties Berlicum, late Colmar, etc ... https://www.fermedesaintemarthe.com/A-1 ... -2-ab.aspx ; https://www.fermedesaintemarthe.com/A-7 ... -2-ab.aspx) that we harvest at home until October / November ...
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 15/07/18, 15:36

for carrots, I have a little the same worries, but I put it on the account of my fat fingers and a lack of know-how when the step of recovery of the seeds.

I always had a little trouble getting them up, but once started I usually get beautiful without any watering after lifting
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 15/07/18, 15:48

I have a certain dexterity, which has not changed ... And yet, it's less regular ... Sometimes, pretty catastrophic!
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 15/07/18, 15:59

you should try to take a sample that is sown in a tray and check the rate of emergence.
if it happens it's a seed problem
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 15/07/18, 21:18

torrent wrote:you should try to take a sample that is sown in a tray and check the rate of emergence.
if it happens it's a seed problem

I will look for a difference in thickness of recovery, if you have too heavy a hand in one place, it will germinate but it will not have enough reserve to lift, if it came from seeds sowing dru that would solve the problem
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 15/07/18, 21:34

I wish it was a problem of seed (I change the mark and presto it is settled), but I think you're right.

has anyone ever tried to sow live on the ground and cover very slightly with hay?
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