The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

[Did67]

I will seem insistent, but you will have a name or a location that I can inquire with them?

Up there, I don't know ... Look in any way on the website of the town hall of the nearest "town" (Haguenau?). They are often referenced. I am in contact with Brumath, for a conference in March ...

Otherwise, I'll try to find you that ...

[torrent sites]

So I do not have to bring it back with my old perfo hilti .. otherwise am really badly barred

[torrent sites]

Eureka, I have a neuron that has turned on, there is one less than 10km from my home.
I put the link sometimes that someone is lost in my corner:
https://www.fruits-fleurs-nature-woerth ... riculture/

what are you going to do in Brumath?

[sicetaitsimple]

Especially the hardiness: if they indicate - 10 °, it is a bit tight with us ... Even if sometimes there are a few degrees of margin. And that the place plays a lot: shelter from the winds, etc ... I would not try outside an interior courtyard, facing the south of a wall. With a certain risk ... Or rather in a "container", to return it as soon as a "big cold" threatens ...

For information, the hardiness of the olive tree is given for - 12 ° C (but up to - 20 ° C!). And yet, Alsace is not a land of olive growing!

I know that on the one hand, global warming is there (but without excluding brutal cold!). And especially since the fashion is for the "exotic". But we have to recognize that fashions have an idiotic side - and not just in clothing!

I think that we should not confuse "hardiness", generally defined by resistance to severe cold, and "productivity" in such and such a climate, being a fruit tree.

That the tree does not burst is a good thing, but usually we expect fruit! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.

[Did67]

what are you going to do in Brumath?

I was contacted almost at the same time by the association of arboriculturists and the project manager of the town hall for a conference. I asked that they grant their violin ...

Apparently, there is still some hesitation around "permaculture" or not "permaculture" ... Some would be satisfied with a "Lazy Potager" approach. The others would like more formally information on "Permaculture"!

So it's not fixed yet. If it is, as soon as it is, I will put an info in the general thread ...

[Did67]

I think that we should not confuse "hardiness", generally defined by resistance to severe cold, and "productivity" in such and such a climate, being a fruit tree.

That the tree does not burst is a good thing, but usually we expect fruit! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.

I am not a tree specialist, but I do not think that the "cold" in winter has a great influence on productivity, except:

a) the tree breaks, its trunk bursts, etc ... (the olive trees in many regions during the winter 53, for example)

b) frosts at the flowering / fruiting stage ... (this 21 April, for example)

So a tree that will "survive" the very cold (those that we meet once every 10 or 20 years) will generally produce ...

Or, if it does not produce, there may be, in the case of exotic plants, other factors: cross-pollination necessary but impossible for lack of an acolyte in the corner, absence of a specific pollinator, photoperiod ( influence of the length of the day / night) ...

[sicetaitsimple]

I think that we should not confuse "hardiness", generally defined by resistance to severe cold, and "productivity" in such and such a climate, being a fruit tree.

That the tree does not burst is a good thing, but usually we expect fruit! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.

I am not a tree specialist, but I do not think that the "cold" in winter has a great influence on productivity, except:

a) the tree breaks, its trunk bursts, etc ... (the olive trees in many regions during the winter 53, for example)

b) frosts at the flowering / fruiting stage ... (this 21 April, for example)

So a tree that will "survive" the very cold (those that we meet once every 10 or 20 years) will generally produce ...

Or, if it does not produce, there may be, in the case of exotic plants, other factors: cross-pollination necessary but impossible for lack of an acolyte in the corner, absence of a specific pollinator, photoperiod ( influence of the length of the day / night) ...

I was talking about "exotic" species in a fairly broad sense, exotic vis-à-vis a climate, for which beyond the fructification, it takes light and heat in quantity for the fruit to arrive. at maturity.

An example: I have a fig tree, which normally gives two harvests (other varieties give only one), one at the beginning of summer and the other in autumn. No problem for the summer, for the fall there are plenty of little figs on the tree but they do not reach maturity because from September it is simply too cool in Normandy. So neither a hardiness problem, nor a fruiting problem, just a climate problem!

PS: all this being gone from the cravings of tangerine of Torrent ..... It can certainly survive, but the tangerines ......

[Did67]

Yes, I see your reasoning. And you're right.

There are people here in Rosheim who have banana trees. That they protect in winter. But the leaves are dying. In the spring, the strains reject. But the season is too short for the flowers to give well-developed bananas. There are miniatures ...

In that sense, yes, you are absolutely right. Especially for tropical plants: bananas, coffee, cocoa, mangoes ... They do not lose their leaves.

The "Mediterranean" plants have another function, with a "need" for cold, without however supporting the "extreme cold": lemons, orange trees, olive trees, etc ... In tropical environment, they develop but do not produce, for absence of "setting in flower".

The citrus trees, subject to "hibernating" them in the cool, avoiding the cold, there are fruits. This is the origin of the "Orangeries", these garden verandas very common in castles, where statesmen of the time actually cultivated their citrus fruits - it was not only for decoration then. I have a tiny one in a jar and it made us 3 big lemons - mind blowing! [NB: impose a period of cold on him in winter - he spends a few weeks in an unheated room; you put it in a heated room, it blooms - at the moment there are flower buds - and it develops beautiful fruits during the season; NB 2: don't ask me for the variety, I don't have it; it is a gift given to me; he is grafted]

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

so after some archaeological excavations, I did not find any picture of my vegetable garden during the season.
If the weather permits this weekend I try to do it. I'll have to think about doing it in the middle of the season

I thought of planting it as a tree https://www.promessedefleurs.com/fruiti ... gIEqPD_BwE .
I thought it was original and more is eaten.
My fear is at the level of mini tees and clay soil. Someone would have already tried?

Here it is "fashionable" that one we talk a lot ... but victim of its success and more available ...

It also interested us

[torrent sites]

it's not my fault the out of stock, because following the advice given above I dropped