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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 13/12/17, 20:01

torrent wrote:I will seem insistent, but you will have a name or a location that I can inquire from them? : Mrgreen:


Up there, I do not know ... Look at random on the website of the town hall of the "town" closest (Haguenau?). They are often referenced. I'm in touch with Brumath, for a conference in March ...

Otherwise, I'll try to find you that ...
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 13/12/17, 20:05

So I do not have to bring it back with my old perfo hilti .. otherwise am really badly barred : Mrgreen:
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 13/12/17, 20:27

Eureka, I have a neuron that has come back, there is one less than 10km from my home.
I put the link sometimes someone lost in my corner:
https://www.fruits-fleurs-nature-woerth ... riculture/

what are you going to do in Brumath?
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 13/12/17, 21:03

Did67 wrote:Especially the hardiness: if they indicate - 10 °, it's a little bit right at home ... Even if sometimes, there are some degrees of margin. And that the place plays a lot: shelter from the winds, etc ... I would not try outside a courtyard, south face of a wall. With a certain risk ... Or rather in a "container", to get in as soon as a "big cold" threatens ...

For information, the hardiness of the olive tree is given for - 12 ° C (but up to - 20 ° C!). And yet, Alsace is not a land of olive growing!

I know that on the one hand global warming is there (but without excluding brutal cold!). And especially that fashion is "exotic". But it must be recognized that fashions have an idiotic side - not just in clothing!


I think that we should not confuse "rusticity", generally defined by the resistance to the important cold, and "productivity" in this or that climate, being a fruit.

That the tree does not die is a good thing, but generally we expect fruits! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 13/12/17, 21:18

torrent wrote:
what are you going to do in Brumath?


I was contacted almost at the same time by the association of arboriculturists and the representative of the town hall for a conference. I asked them to give their violin ...

Apparently, still some floating around "permaculture" or not "permaculture" ... Some would be satisfied with a "Potager du Sloth" approach. Others would like more formally information on "Permaculture"!

So it's not fixed yet. If it is, as soon as it is, I will put an info in the general thread ...
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 13/12/17, 21:25

sicetaitsimple wrote:
I think that we should not confuse "rusticity", generally defined by the resistance to the important cold, and "productivity" in this or that climate, being a fruit.

That the tree does not die is a good thing, but generally we expect fruits! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.


I am not a specialist in trees, but I do not think that the "cold" experienced in winter has a great influence on productivity, except:

a) the tree dies, its trunk bursts, etc ... (the olive trees in many regions during the winter 53, for example)

b) frosts at the flowering / fruiting stage ... (this 21 April, for example)

So a tree that will "survive" the cold weather (the ones we cross once every 10 or 20 years) will generally produce ...

Or, if it does not produce, there may be, in the case of exotic plants, other factors: cross pollination necessary but impossible for lack of a sidekick in the corner, absence of a specific pollinator, photoperiod ( influence of the length of the day / night) ...
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby sicetaitsimple » 13/12/17, 22:03

Did67 wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:
I think that we should not confuse "rusticity", generally defined by the resistance to the important cold, and "productivity" in this or that climate, being a fruit.

That the tree does not die is a good thing, but generally we expect fruits! And there is not necessarily won for varieties a little exotic in climates that are not.


I am not a specialist in trees, but I do not think that the "cold" experienced in winter has a great influence on productivity, except:

a) the tree dies, its trunk bursts, etc ... (the olive trees in many regions during the winter 53, for example)

b) frosts at the flowering / fruiting stage ... (this 21 April, for example)

So a tree that will "survive" the cold weather (the ones we cross once every 10 or 20 years) will generally produce ...

Or, if it does not produce, there may be, in the case of exotic plants, other factors: cross pollination necessary but impossible for lack of a sidekick in the corner, absence of a specific pollinator, photoperiod ( influence of the length of the day / night) ...


I spoke well of "exotic" species in the broad sense, exotic vis-à-vis a climate, for which beyond the fruition, it takes light and heat in quantity for the fruit to arrive at maturity.

An example: I have a fig tree, which normally gives two harvests (other varieties give only one), one at the beginning of summer and the other in autumn. No problem for the summer, for the fall there are plenty of little figs on the tree but they do not reach maturity because from September it is simply too cool in Normandy. So neither a problem of hardiness, nor a problem of fruiting, just a problem of climate!

PS: all this being gone from the cravings of tangerine Torrent ..... It can certainly survive, but tangerines ......
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby Did67 » 14/12/17, 10:28

Yes, I see your reasoning. And you're right.

There are people here in Rosheim who have banana trees. That they protect in winter. But the leaves are dying. In spring, the strains reject. But the season is too short for the flowers to give well-developed bananas. There are miniatures ...

In that sense, yes, you are absolutely right. Especially for tropical plants: bananas, coffee, cocoa, mangoes ... They do not lose their leaves.

The plants "Mediterranean" have another operation, with a "need" of cold, without however to support the "big cold": lemons, orange trees, olive trees, etc ... In a tropical environment, they develop but do not produce, by absence of "mise à fleur".

The citrus, subject to the "hibernate" cool avoiding cold, there are fruits. This is the origin of "Orangeries", these garden verandas very common in the castles, or the statesmen of the time actually cultivated their citrus - it was not only for decoration then. I have a baby in a pot and he made us 3 big lemons - amazing! [NB: to impose a period of cold in winter - he spends a few weeks in an unheated room; you put it in a heated room, it blooms - at this moment there are flower buds - and that develops beautiful fruits during the season; NB 2: do not ask me for variety, I do not have it; it is a gift that has been made to me; he is grafted]
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby nico239 » 19/12/17, 00:42

torrent wrote:so after some archaeological excavations, I did not find any picture of my vegetable garden during the season.
If the weather allows this weekend I try to make it. It will be necessary that I think to make it in full season

I thought of planting it as a tree https://www.promessedefleurs.com/fruiti ... gIEqPD_BwE .
I found it original and in addition it is eaten.
My fear is at the mini-level and the clay soil. Someone would have tried already?


Here it is "fashionable" that one we talk a lot ... but victim of its success and more available ...

He also interested us
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Re: The lazy garden made in northern Elsass

Unread Messageby torrent » 19/12/17, 20:04

it's not my fault the out of stock, because, following the advice given above I dropped : Wink:
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