Rainwater is not enough.
The energized water corresponds to storm rainwater.
The electrical properties of water are different, the vibration level is different.
Vedanization (verdun), was applied from 1916, to prevent the water in storage from seeing coliforms develop and do more damage than fighting with the Germans at the time.
it consisted in putting propellers at the bottom of the containers to stir the water with vortices and thus raise the vibratory level of the water.
Kangen uses this system to increase the vibration level.
the magnetic fountain also in another way.
Violet systems go much further.
Since the patent fell into the public domain and so more affordable systems came whose model by Galactica, said dynamizer following Marcel Violet.
Concerning solid water, it is not simple water, there is added a product which maintains it in compact, viscous form.
this is the case for "water grains to maintain water in the soil" products.
It's chemical.
Or by spraying on a wall to avoid burning in welding, soldering.
I bought it at castorama last week at the plumbing department
Vital water - dissociated water
Janic wrote:minus dewatt helloHow do you recognize a reliable source?it is not enough to tell anything. You have to give reliable sources.
A concrete example of scientific recognition from an unreliable source:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post240756.html#240756
inconsistencies, without ever experiencing definitive proof reproducible by all without question.
But do not mix beliefs, dreams and reality.
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dedeleco hello
But an experience is reproducible ONLY in the EXACT modes and circumstances, which is not easy and particularly about the living (easier with matter) to which must be added the orientation of research, the final goal sought , etc ... which effectively distances us from a hypothetical reliable source.
if only it could be that simple!A concrete example of scientific recognition from an unreliable source:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post240756.html#240756
inconsistencies, without ever experiencing definitive proof reproducible by all without question.
But an experience is reproducible ONLY in the EXACT modes and circumstances, which is not easy and particularly about the living (easier with matter) to which must be added the orientation of research, the final goal sought , etc ... which effectively distances us from a hypothetical reliable source.
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Search for areliable source", Suppose you know the purpose of a thread?
However, I could have sworn that to have rain, there had to be a storm!
It's been since there is water on the planet (a few billion years?) That we know that UV is enough to do work (sun exposure, water and rivers) and that It is therefore enough to have a circulation of water on stones exposed to the sun, to prevent it from becoming unhealthy.
Big words, which in the end don't mean much. And all this for what purpose? We "sell" the properties of water with miraculous virtues! If there is no doubt that the quality of water is essential (each source would have its own specificities), even in its most subtle variations, the fact remains that it remains and will remain H2O whatever the words that we put behind: here we are close to autosuggestion, which my faith provides some results ... But it remains autosuggestion, in the end, when we have replaced all the priorities "things are going well" ... And if indeed it could possibly have a therapeutic effect, it should be considered as a whole - global and complex - as foreseen by orthomolecular medicine (for example) and not as an absolute truth reigning over everything ! I am not saying that this is the case with this speech, but the words used lead us straight in that direction ...
More precisely "encapsulated" in what becomes a sort of compact gel ...
No, it is storm rainwater (hey hey ...) precisely that which has the required (electrical) charge properties ...
If that's what you're thinking, you haven't read the link. There is no product to maintain: because water sticks to the polymer, precisely thanks to its electrical charge which attracts it towards this substrate (moreover perfectly stable and not reactive).
As soon as we talk about ion exchange, when we have the presence of water and / or oxygen, we are faced with an unstable universe which is by definition necessarily ... chemical. But everything is: plants, animals and all living things are made up of ... chemistry.
However, in this case, there is no specific reaction to water retention, since the polymer itself is the result of a reaction which ended in its final form! It is like the rainwater that trickles down the leaves of a tree (also polymer).
We are obviously not talking about the same thing.
alaniesse wrote:Rainwater is not enough.
The energized water corresponds to storm rainwater.
The electrical properties of water are different, the vibration level is different.
However, I could have sworn that to have rain, there had to be a storm!
alaniesse wrote:Vedanization (verdun), was applied from 1916, to prevent the water in storage from seeing coliforms develop and do more damage than fighting with the Germans at the time.
it consisted in putting propellers at the bottom of the containers to stir the water with vortices and thus raise the vibratory level of the water.
It's been since there is water on the planet (a few billion years?) That we know that UV is enough to do work (sun exposure, water and rivers) and that It is therefore enough to have a circulation of water on stones exposed to the sun, to prevent it from becoming unhealthy.
alaniesse wrote:Kangen uses this system to increase the vibration level.
the magnetic fountain also in another way.
Violet systems go much further.
Since the patent fell in the public domain and so more affordable systems came whose model by Galactica, said dynamizer following marcel Purple.
Big words, which in the end don't mean much. And all this for what purpose? We "sell" the properties of water with miraculous virtues! If there is no doubt that the quality of water is essential (each source would have its own specificities), even in its most subtle variations, the fact remains that it remains and will remain H2O whatever the words that we put behind: here we are close to autosuggestion, which my faith provides some results ... But it remains autosuggestion, in the end, when we have replaced all the priorities "things are going well" ... And if indeed it could possibly have a therapeutic effect, it should be considered as a whole - global and complex - as foreseen by orthomolecular medicine (for example) and not as an absolute truth reigning over everything ! I am not saying that this is the case with this speech, but the words used lead us straight in that direction ...
alaniesse wrote:Regarding solid water,
More precisely "encapsulated" in what becomes a sort of compact gel ...
alaniesse wrote:it's not simple water,
No, it is storm rainwater (hey hey ...) precisely that which has the required (electrical) charge properties ...
alaniesse wrote:a product is added to it which keeps it in a compact, viscous form.
If that's what you're thinking, you haven't read the link. There is no product to maintain: because water sticks to the polymer, precisely thanks to its electrical charge which attracts it towards this substrate (moreover perfectly stable and not reactive).
alaniesse wrote:this is the case for "water grains to maintain water in the soil" products. It's chemical.
As soon as we talk about ion exchange, when we have the presence of water and / or oxygen, we are faced with an unstable universe which is by definition necessarily ... chemical. But everything is: plants, animals and all living things are made up of ... chemistry.
However, in this case, there is no specific reaction to water retention, since the polymer itself is the result of a reaction which ended in its final form! It is like the rainwater that trickles down the leaves of a tree (also polymer).
alaniesse wrote:Or by spraying on a wall to avoid burning in welding, soldering.
I bought it at castorama last week at the plumbing department
We are obviously not talking about the same thing.
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Janic wrote:dedeleco helloif only it could be that simple!A concrete example of scientific recognition from an unreliable source:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post240756.html#240756
inconsistencies, without ever experiencing definitive proof reproducible by all without question.
But an experience is reproducible ONLY in the EXACT modes and circumstances, which is not easy and particularly about the living (easier with matter) to which must be added the orientation of research, the final goal sought , etc ... which effectively distances us from a hypothetical reliable source.
and yet there are plenty of experiences repeated endlessly, exact, which serve us in everyday life, without effect of the age of the captain !!!
For example, asepsis, dividing by ten the number of deaths, which was enough to blow up the human population since Pasteur, just by washing your hands well !!!
For GMOs, the inconsistency is clear, in secrecy and the systematic refusal to carry out studies over 3 months, proof that the GMO firms, know that the danger is very real and that it is imperative to block any verification on a life (3 lives are necessary given the epigenetic effects) by all means of Lobbys, exactly as for tobacco, asbestos, etc. !!!
For this water, too many inconsistent sentences.
Take reproducible experiences that really prove the vibrations, making it a revolutionary new type of cell phone.
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All this gibberish from Alaniesse, to sell us his production of ... spirulina!
Hey hey: while ... to develop:
Aim for the paradox ...
All this is really not an honest and transparent approach. We have already had this debate, we will not do it again and again!
Spirulina is either:
- fresh daily, and then it contains a lot of nutrients, but it is not easy to produce, not very controlled (development of toxins as emphasized by DD, especially since there is only 'a single variety that does not contain it) and not easy to ship to consumers. Its taste isn't great (but it's open to discussion), and not everyone digests it.
- it is in the form of a food supplement in powder or in a tablet, and then there it largely joins the devitalized industrial foods: where is the benefit ...? The vitamin "B" complex, yes it is true, but it is found in abundance in freshly ground cereals, which can be stored for a long time and at least it is still a "living" product!
What else...
All the more so if you read his site, you quickly realize that his knowledge is very approximate ... All of this is not zero, but it deserves more scientific rigor. There one has the impression that one really wades in amateurism.
alaniesse wrote:for me Spirulina is a base, to help the body to have building elements.
but the most amazing thing I've found is the water revitalized correspondent storm water.
Hey hey: while ... to develop:
dedeleco wrote:Spirulina multiplies in warm brackish water, even rotten !!
Aim for the paradox ...
All this is really not an honest and transparent approach. We have already had this debate, we will not do it again and again!
Spirulina is either:
- fresh daily, and then it contains a lot of nutrients, but it is not easy to produce, not very controlled (development of toxins as emphasized by DD, especially since there is only 'a single variety that does not contain it) and not easy to ship to consumers. Its taste isn't great (but it's open to discussion), and not everyone digests it.
- it is in the form of a food supplement in powder or in a tablet, and then there it largely joins the devitalized industrial foods: where is the benefit ...? The vitamin "B" complex, yes it is true, but it is found in abundance in freshly ground cereals, which can be stored for a long time and at least it is still a "living" product!
What else...
All the more so if you read his site, you quickly realize that his knowledge is very approximate ... All of this is not zero, but it deserves more scientific rigor. There one has the impression that one really wades in amateurism.
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dedeleco hello
indeed, there are simple and easily reproducible operations with convincing results such as hand washing (this is not really scientific, this precept of elementary hygiene is found in the biblical text that is several thousand years old and that the doctors - the experts - had forgotten to practice). On the other hand, "Pasteur" has failed miserably on vaccines for lack of perspective.and yet there are plenty of experiences repeated endlessly, exact, which serve us in everyday life, without effect of the age of the captain !!!
For example, asepsis, dividing by ten the number of deaths, which was enough to blow up the human population since Pasteur, just by washing your hands well !!!
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On the other hand, "Pasteur" has failed miserably on vaccines for lack of perspective.
is a totally false dogmatic assertion (anthrax has become rare), as evidenced by almost eradicated diseases, which dramatically shortened life over a century ago !!!
Over a century ago on this forum, most of us are already dead !!!
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dedeleco wrote:Over a century ago on this forum, most of us are already dead !!!
This is unfortunately true, and still only the "lucky" would have reached adulthood!
Nostalgic people of the past have a slight tendency to forget the little worries of our ancestors: dental ailments, absence of antibiotics, fledgling surgery etc ...
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