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by oli 80 » 12/12/09, 17:41

hello, oops sorry actually if I wanted to know what the monteau pump is, it is because I thought it was the pendulum system or a similar system

the hydromotor uses a float to operate a piston pump
while the pendulum uses the piod of water in a tray to activate the piston pump

so in a certain way the hydromotor is the reverse of the hydraulic balance

the hydromotor reminds me a little of this pump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDfG6nhfdkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToaIU3-BI4k
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by oli 80 » 15/12/09, 22:35

good evening, I thought of something, it could be that the hydromotor would have been invented by the inventor of the monteau pump, except as the monteau pump was perhaps not powerful enough then twenty years later, it has decide to improve his pump and so he created the hydromotor

what was the name of the inventor mr jourdain, you have to see if i thought correctly, maybe a clue "hydromotor LJ"

D for jourdain
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by elephant » 15/12/09, 22:56

The problem with the Monteau pump is that it is a large cylinder that needs to be machined with precision, which is far from the case of the hydromotor, within the reach of a good ironworker-welder.
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by oli 80 » 16/12/09, 10:58

hello, so in fact as you said at the beginning of the subject, the monteau pump uses a sealed piston instead of the float on the hydromotor, in fact this sealed piston actuates a pump or can actuate something else like the hydromotor

I think that's it, unless I'm wrong and the principle is different
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by elephant » 16/12/09, 11:30

That's right: the monteau pump exploits the pressure, the hydromotor exploits the force (archimedes thrust)
in a monteau pump, it is the surface of the piston which matters, in a hydromotor, it is its submerged volume.
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by oli 80 » 16/12/09, 12:04

hello, this is what the monteau pump reminds me of
http://books.google.com/books?id=gjcAAA ... q=&f=false

several types of water column pumps are mentioned including the ram but also piston pumps

there is also the lambach pump

this one http://www.minelocmariaberrien.com/mine.htm

the last page of this link http://digital.library.cornell.edu/k/km ... 18_013.pdf

except I suppose that the monteau pump is not a water column machine like those presented in these links, sorry the first link which was taken on the site of régis petit in "bibliography" does not have any photos or sketch
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by oli 80 » 23/12/09, 19:07

good evening, I looked on the net for the doc on the monteau pump, nothing found nada ,, this pump really exists, in a science fiction film can be, I rather think of a hoax, a fake

in addition as if we have not seen the play on words "pomp monteau"

"pump raises water" in fact it is a pump which raises water, another Belgian joke : Mrgreen:

oops I should have the yard in "single subject humor" : Mrgreen:
for elephant: http://www.pumpaid.org/The-Elephant-Pump.shtml
: Mrgreen:

and on those happy holidays
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by elephant » 23/12/09, 22:24

no, no, it's very serious: Minister Busquin (doctor of physics) even had the project evaluated by the Von Karmann institute and I even have an email somewhere like the guy who did the study at the time.

But .... it was 20 years ago (therefore, before the Internet), and the inventor abandoned the case.

The problem with the Monteau pump was that it was expensive: the need to machine a large diameter piston-cylinder assembly, while the hydromotor was within reach of a good ironworker-welder.

Forget it !
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by oli 80 » 31/12/09, 12:14

hello, I noticed something similar to the hydromotor, it's the seadog pump

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9952575-54.html,

et http://greenenergytv.com/Watch.aspx?v=1606752422

the flange at the bottom which actuates the piston pump is arched
example, dip a glass upside down in a basin or sink

the air is trapped in the glass, (simple experience that you learn in elementary school) and well the flange uses this principle each time the waves go up and down

on the hydromotor it is a float which activates the piston, well we could replace the float by a container upside down like the glass, I think that we would obtain more force with the push on the piston of the pump and so we can raise water even higher
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by elephant » 31/12/09, 14:54

I don't think, Oli: the air would compress, so the volume would decrease. And Archimedes' push too.
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