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by pseudomonas » 23/01/10, 08:43

First of all, Hello Bernardd! and then a big thank you for this link.
And to finish, I agree for the same reason, that it is the DNA of retrovirus or bornavirus, it is not the body which is requesting of new genetic sequences, it is the virus which seeks to attack. Whether the sequences become useful to the body is obviously a mystery. That the multitude of unused sequences is indeed the fruit of the repression of the body.

Let me put the text here, because it is very likely that on this site, this very instructive text is put in archive: Thank you again Bernardd! :P

Unearthing new Homo sapiens ancestors does not necessarily mean scratching the earth. You can also search your chromosomes for exotic genes and find unique branches in your family tree. Witness the work of American and Japanese researchers, led by Masayuki Horie and Tomoyuki Honda (University of Osaka), published Thursday January 7 in the journal Nature, which document the existence of one of our ancestors so far unknown.

This is a small virus, from the bornavirus family; he bequeathed, some 40 million years ago, four genetic sequences to the ancestor of primates.

That a virus is one of the ancestors of animals or plants is not, however, a surprise in itself. We already know that around 8% of the human genome is made up of viral genetic sequences. But these come exclusively from retroviruses: these indeed have the property of inserting their genome into that of the cells they infect.

Imagine that the germ cells (sperm or ova) of an animal are infected with such viruses: the descendants of the animal in question receive a modified genetic heritage, embellished with genes of the microscopic parasite. This genetic modification will then be transmitted vertically to all of the descendants of the being affected by the infection ...

"Here, the novelty is that the sequences detected in the genomes of mammals come from a virus which is not a retrovirus, explains the biologist Cédric Feschotte (University of Texas at Arlington). The first question posed by this work is therefore to know how a bornavirus was able to integrate into the genome of our ancestors. "

First, unlike retroviruses, bornaviruses are not equipped to carry out this genetic invasion. They lack the ability to produce themselves an enzyme necessary to transform their genetic makeup into DNA "compatible" with that of their host. To do this, it is likely, the authors explain, that the small bornavirus has managed to use the tools of the very genome that it was going to colonize to its benefit. Such an ability to "hack" the genetic material of its host has already been demonstrated in another virus.

On the other hand, bornaviruses are known to infect the brain of their victim, not their germ cells. Similar viruses circulating today are thus responsible for lightning encephalitis in horses and other large herbivores ... For several years, some research teams have even suggested a link between infection by a bornavirus and appearance in humans , severe psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia. However, this work is still preliminary and much debated.

How did a virus so prone to infect brain cells end up in the germ cells of its host, to be transmitted to the descendants of the latter? This question remains open. "It is all the more disturbing since the introduction, 40 million years ago, of a bornavirus into the genome of primates is not an isolated case, says biologist Christophe Terzian (Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes The same team shows, for example, the insertion of a bornavirus, 10 million years ago, into the squirrel genome ... "

Another astonishing fact, adds Cédric Feschotte, "of the four genetic sequences identified (in primates) as originating from the bornavirus, two are potentially functional genes and are therefore theoretically capable of producing proteins". Are these proteins well synthesized? What are they for ? "The published work does not allow to say it, answers Christophe Terzian. But if they are preserved during the evolution, it is probably that they had a utility: perhaps they offer a form of immunity. against bornaviruses, or perhaps their function has been "domesticated" by the host. " Such examples of "domestication" do exist. Thus, the genes which allow the synthesis of the placenta in humans (this is also the case in the majority of mammals) are directly inherited from retroviruses.

However, if certain genetic functions inherited from the viral world are indeed active - and useful - for the functioning of our organism, the majority of them are silenced by mechanisms of repression of gene expression. However, certain studies show that, in the event of a defect in these repressive processes, certain diseases can be triggered. "It's very speculative, but it is now possible to imagine that disturbances in the expression of the bornavirus sequences inserted into our chromosomes could cause certain neurological diseases", concludes Mr. Terzian.
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by pseudomonas » 23/01/10, 18:53

Another site link that will surely help you without having to log in! :
http://ecotopie.chez.com/eaupluie.html

Unfortunately it dates from 1996. However, we can read that the filter to use to use the water for washing is 10-20 microns.
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by Former Oceano » 24/01/10, 15:40

Locked.
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by Christophe » 24/01/10, 17:49

pseudomonas wrote:For my part, I make a request to the CNIL as well as to the GERS department, the exact activity of p'tit Pierrot as well as the management of its membership file.


Frankly, do you really care about your days?

Go all 2: direction the sandbox ... zetes a strip of trout! : Evil:
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by Capt_Maloche » 26/01/10, 23:47

Ah, I come a little late

Ce forum is not there to settle your account and serve as proof of inappropriate remarks, and even less "proof" for any legal action whatsoever, whatever, the time stamp

I don't know which of you is more stubborn: the one who seeks lice, or the one who wants to be outraged

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pseudomonas wrote:.... But the idea that the human race should disappear because harmful is carried by a hard branch of greenpeace whether you like it or not.

I think I am very well understood here: the reactions prove it.
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Yeah, well, I don't know, I didn't hear that from supporters ... to demonstrate ... etc

Rainwater recovery side;

the only authorization to re-use recovered water was for an independent flushing circuit, and has since been revoked. The only application authorized today is for watering green spaces and cleaning vehicles.

Ah, and concerning the recovery of rainwater

the subject will continue here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/dossier-co ... t4864.html
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by Capt_Maloche » 27/01/10, 22:46

So, I unlock after having reread the entire subject at the request of p'tit Pierrot ET M'ETRE WELL DONE "ENNUYE" from page 6 (of 12)

Frankly, it's so boring to read that nobody will dwell on it, not enough to delete pages, unless there is consensus between the two belligerents. (requests by mp please, page number and message date)

In short, what uninteresting pages, for a subject which nevertheless deserves to be deepened

So, I reopen the subject, I expect fair play and a constructive debate.

ON THE SUBJECT
I have a rainwater recovery tank installed since 1975 on my pavilion
This tank is actually an old oil tank of 500L, which was buried next to a rain manhole

I do no maintenance of this buried volume, the overflow goes directly into the garden

The water is very slightly rusty, smells a little "steel" (the tank is surely rusted inside) but no smell of fermentation, vegetable degradation or other smell of mud
In a watering can, it is completely clear
My wife uses it only for watering the garden
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by Capt_Maloche » 28/01/10, 20:22

Well,

I purified the subject, not funny as a job ...

subject reopened
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by little sparrow » 28/01/10, 23:43

Bonjour,

Capt_Maloche wrote:Rainwater recovery side;

the only authorization to re-use recovered water was for an independent flushing circuit, and has since been revoked. The only application authorized today is for watering green spaces and cleaning vehicles.

"has been" ...... "and has since been repealed." ...
Is that so ??
could we know since when the decree of August 21, 2008 was repealed ???
and according to you there would be more than only external uses which would be authorized?

Read today on Légifrance, decree in force on January 28, 2010:
Article 1:

This order specifies the conditions of use of rainwater recovered downstream of inaccessible roofs, in buildings and their outbuildings, as well as the conditions of installation, maintenance and monitoring of the equipment necessary for their recovery and use.
Within the meaning of this decree:
- rainwater is untreated or partially treated rainwater; any water intended for human consumption produced using rainwater as a resource is excluded from this definition, in compliance with the provisions of articles L. 1321-1 and following and R. 1321-1 and following of the public health code;

this article 1 specifies that the rainwater being considered therein is "raw" or "partially treated" rainwater .. !!
and that rainwater "completely treated" (drinking water) is no longer considered as "rainwater" but rather as "water intended for human consumption" .. !!
which means that it cannot be said that there are only the uses usually mentioned (WC + floor washing) that can be done with rainwater ... it all depends on the state of this water .. !! (unfiltered, or partially filtered, or potable)
to say otherwise is a "lie by omission"!

Article 2:

I. - Rainwater collected downstream from inaccessible roofs can be used for domestic uses outside the building. The watering of green spaces accessible to the public is carried out outside the periods of public attendance.
II. - Inside a building, rainwater collected downstream from inaccessible roofs, other than asbestos-cement or lead, can only be used for excreta disposal and soil washing .
III. - The use of rainwater collected downstream from inaccessible roofs is authorized, on an experimental basis, for washing clothes, subject to the implementation of suitable water treatment devices and:

therefore, obviously, as of January 28, this decree of August 21, 2008 has not been repealed, is still in effect ...

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000019386409&fastPos=1&fastReqId=1696209119&categorieLien=cid&oldAction=rechTexte

Therefore .... ???

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by Christophe » 29/01/10, 09:41

Capt_Maloche wrote:Well,

I purified the subject, not funny as a job ...

subject reopened


You could have ... not consult me ​​before : Evil: ... and not accept the pressures that Pierrot made you in private ... : Evil:

I reclos because precisely the other words of pierrot in private are not acceptable.

Now that this case is closed for him, I also suggest that he get out of here because he has a big psychological problem ... But he will surely call me a defamator ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Go break pov con!

It's not defamation, it's an assertion ...
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by Capt_Maloche » 29/01/10, 14:34

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:D : Cheesy: : Mrgreen: , how you go!

Boah, no pressure, but a subject that has become unbelievable, too bad because there is material for information

I have reduced the content of sterile discussions

In this regard, a "report abuse" icon should be added to the messages in order to react to the source

Otherwise concerning the arrest:
It is not officially, in fact, but I had an unfavorable opinion from a control office on an indoor water installation (for a flushing system)

The cause; the risk verified in the field of subsequent connections on these non-potable networks

It is acquired in Paris in any case, to no longer use rainwater in buildings
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