Electric buses

[moinsdewatt]

Emmanuel Macron, Minister of the Economy, at Bolloré, Ergué-Gabéric

15 Jan 2016 West France

The Minister of the Economy, Emmanuel Macron, inaugurates a new Bolloré factory of electric buses, this Friday 15 January 2016, Ergué-Gabéric, near Quimper (Finistère).

The Minister of the Economy, Emmanuel Macron, inaugurates a new Bolloré factory of electric buses, this Friday 15 January 2016, Ergué-Gabéric, near Quimper (Finistère). | Beatrice Le Grand / Ouest-France

After the little Bluecar, the star of Autolib ', here is the maxi Bluebus. Since 2014, we know the 5,40 m version, shipping 22 people, perfect for city centers with narrow streets. Its electric motor is powered by three lithium metal polymer batteries, designed and manufactured on the site Blue Solutions (subsidiary Bolloré) in Ergué-Gabéric, near Quimper (Finistère). The little Bluebus has proven itself. All that remained was to give him a big brother, destined for a classic use, able to carry a hundred passengers. That is 90% of the market demand.

The big Bluebus doubled its length, multiplied the batteries (eight instead of three). Its autonomy varies from 180 to 250 km according to the manufacturer. What to keep a day before a night recharge. Externally, it looks like the classic bus of big cities. But here no noise at startup. And no release of fine particles into the atmosphere. The dream for metropolises like Paris who wants to make clean, by 2025, the fleet of the RATP.

Just as the Bluecar made itself known in Paris before seducing other cities (Lyon, Bordeaux, Indianapolis, Rome, Turin), Bluebus will begin its commercial career in the capital. The Régie autonome des transports parisiens has bought 20 vehicles of this type from Blue Solutions. In April, a full-scale test, the 341 line will be operated with Bluebus 12 m.

The potential is enormous, in Paris as elsewhere. That's why Bolloré inaugurates, on Friday, a factory reserved for the big Bluebus next to the first workshop producing the buses of 5,40 m in Ergué-Gabéric. The workforce will change from 60 to 150 employees. In December, the municipal council of the municipality voted a revision of the local urban plan to release 14 ha of land intended for the development of Bolloré factories. A procedure that provides for the acquisition of land "within one year".

http://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/erg ... ic-3972026

See the pictures on the link

[chatelot16]

it was time to start!

as much I have doubts about the utility of electric car for particular as it is evidant for urban bus ... I would even say that as long as there was more electric bus as it was a proof of no profitability!

I said as long as there is more electric bus, and not until there is none ... because there was a long time ago! before the diesel, at the time when the gasoline engine was bad enough, there were all kinds of buses and electric trucks with a simple battery lead

alas the lead battery did what it could from the beginning without any hope of progress, and the heat engine progressed

if lithium can do better today it is obvious that it is the regular use vehicles like urban buses that must be profitable

alas I still have doubts about the bus only battery, for buses on a well defined route it would be so simple to put catenaries on a part of the route to reload while driving ... find a compromise simpler than the troley bus with catenary on the entire course that emcombait the sky downtown

a troley bus with battery giving a certain autonomy to cross the zone without catenary would be the good compromise ... of course with automatic recovery of the catenary when there is ... not the troley classic bus or put the pole on the catenary is quite complicated when it derails

[raymon]

It's odd to sell batteries for buses instead of looking for a super capacitor solution, as the Chinese are already doing. Would Bolloré be missing the bus?
http://www.electric-road.com/energie-em ... densateurs
Especially since they work there too:
http://www.supercondensateur.com/bluetr ... -in-france

[izentrop]

It's odd to sell batteries for buses instead of looking for a super capacitor solution, as the Chinese are already doing. Would Bolloré be missing the bus?

Probably for a cost history.
Nothing prevents to evolve gradually towards a mixed of the two, then towards the most profitable technology.
Batteries are also evolving https://lejournal.cnrs.fr/articles/batt ... -en-marche

[dede2002]

For a city bus that often stops, it is important that the battery can be recharged quickly with the power of each braking. Booster capacitors could be used?

[moinsdewatt]

RATP launches its first 100% electric bus line

Factory Npuvelle the 30 / 05 / 2016

A symbolic milestone has just been reached, Monday 30 May, with the inauguration of the first standard 100% electric bus line in Paris. The Bolloré Bluebus enters the scene, prefiguring the objective of an 80% electric park on the 2025 horizon.

It's under heavy rain, at the corner of Hoche and Wagram avenues, near the Arc de Triomphe, that Elisabeth Borne, CEO of RATP, Valérie Pécresse, president of the Ile-de-France Regional Council. France and Vincent Bolloré, president of the Bolloré group, spoke.

They were gathered for the inauguration of the first standard 100% electric bus line: the 341 line that connects the Place Charles de Gaulle - Etoile to Porte de Clignancourt in Paris via Saint-Ouen (Seine-Saint- Denis), Clichy and Levallois-Perret (Hauts-de-Seine). In fact, this line will only be 100% electric at the end of the year, when the 23 buses have been delivered. Currently, only one circulates.

The Bluebus left the Ergué-Gabéric (Finistère) plant in mid-February. This plant produces since 21 last December electric buses 12 meters long and a capacity of 91 to 100 places - as for conventional thermal models - with a range of at least 180 kilometers. The Bolloré group has invested 40 million euros in this plant of 5 000 square meters, concomitant production unit for the minibus 6 meters long and Bluetram, a bus powered at each stop.

Slow night charge in the center of Belliard

"It is a joy to wear the French colors and I am proud because it was a daring bet", welcomes Vincent Bolloré, who takes the opportunity to recall the success of Autolib "with its 500 uses per month and winning of a new tender in Singapore ".

Elisabeth Borne recalled the role of "major French industrialists capable of meeting the challenge" of a fleet of at least 3 electric buses in ten years or so. "Line 600 will make it possible to carry out all the full-scale tests, to adapt the depot to do slow charging", she added.

Buses will be recharged at night, at the Belliard bus center (Paris 18th arrondissement), - it already supplies electric minibuses - so as not to "pull" on the electricity network at rush hour. This first line is part of the 2025 Bus Plan launched by the Stif, the region's transport organizing authority, during the old age of majority, and implemented by the RATP. "This is a first in Europe with a fleet of this size," said Valérie Pécresse.

Other builders for the call for tenders

The 4 buses in the RATP fleet must be converted into green buses in 500, with at least 2025% of electric buses. If Bolloré seems to have one bus in advance, the RATP intends to test other models. "Tests will be carried out on other models on lines 80 and 21, in particular those of the Polish Solaris, the Spanish Irisar, the Chinese Yutong associated with the French Dietrich Carebus and the French Heuliez Bus", indicates Elisabeth Borne.

A call for tenders will be launched in 2017 to renew the Ile-de-France fleet. From 2020, half of the RATP fleet will be made up of clean buses in Ile-de-France. Valérie Pécresse is already seeing beyond: "I challenged Vincent Bolloré: to work on greater autonomy in order to develop an electric motorway RER in the suburbs." A fast bus on a clean site and running clean in a way.

http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/la ... es.N394157

[chatelot16]

in normal driving without emergency braking the power recovered while braking is of the same order as the power supplied by the battery to accelerate ... so the battery that allows to accelerate is largely sufficient to recover normal braking ... and tanpis for emergency braking since they are rare

the super condensteur would be rather useful for hybrids or there is no big battery ... Finally I still have not seen a super condensteur priced to hope a profitability

[Christophe]

Now we need solar or wind recharges ... or at least compensate for their electricity consumption

The Bolloré Bluebus enters the scene, prefiguring the objective of an 80% electric park on the 2025 horizon.

80% in less than 10 years that seems ambitious to me ... it makes 0.8 * 4500 / 10 = more than 360 Bus to switch to the electric year ... or more than one bus a day for 10 years .. .

What is the capacity of the factory ??? Because this sounds like a political promise more than anything else ...

And in the other cities, when?

Cool the Bluetram, a bus bottle so? Transportation-electric / Iveco-ELLISUP-the-bus-electric-booze-a-wheel motors-t12956.html

[moinsdewatt]

99% of electric buses are in China!

in 2017 22% of the new buses in China were electric.

Electric Nozzles Are Eroding Oil Demand

By Tsvetana Paraskova - Apr 24, 2018

The world's biggest oil import-China-is home to 99 percent of all electric nozzles globally, and as more Chinese cities are adding e-nozzles at a break-neck pace, zero-emission is expected to remove 279,000 bpd of diesel demand from the market this year, 37 percent annually, New Energy Finance Bloomberg (BNEF) has estimated.

Every day, cities in China add 9,500 e-nozzles on their roads, equal to the entire fleet of London, BNEF says.

Just a few years ago, they are more fuel-efficient than conventional electric vehicles because they consume more fuel than an average-sized passenger sedan.

"The global bus fleet is still predominantly powered by CNG, and, with the exception of China, the share of total fleet is minimal," BNEF said in a recent report on the C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group .

However, in China, 17 percent of the bus fleet is already electric, and China is the world's largest producer and user of electric buses, according to BNEF.

E-bus demand in China is soaring, national sales targets, and supportive subsidies. Large cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen have already stopped buying new internal combustion engines (ICE) and BNEF said.

The share of e-bus sales of 22 increased last year, from just 0.6 percent back in 2011.

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https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News ... emand.html

[Bardal]

it was time to start!

as much I have some doubt about the utility of electric car for particular as much it is evidant for urban bus ...
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alas I still have doubts about the bus only battery, for buses on a well defined route it would be so simple to put catenaries on a part of the route to reload while driving ... find a compromise simpler than the troley bus with catenary on the entire course that emcombait the sky downtown

a troley bus with battery giving a certain autonomy to cross the zone without catenary would be the good compromise ... of course with automatic recovery of the catenary when there is ... not the troley classic bus or put the pole on the catenary is quite complicated when it derails

It seems so obvious that one can wonder why nobody has put it into practice ... Yet it is an investment that is much lighter than a tramway (on which everyone has started without any problem, probably by fashion) and otherwise more flexible: a simple autonomy of a few tens of km by batteries, combined with a very modest network of catenaries, would cover almost all urban and suburban networks, school transport and probably the various services such as garbage or, with a little imagination, urban deliveries and others. Adding that a low battery capacity would allow the recovery of braking and decelerating energies, while limiting the inconvenience of heavy weight dragging.

I really think we lack a little imagination in this country; there would not even be new technology to expect (unlike the mythical super-capacitors) ...