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Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 11/03/17, 19:33
by patou

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published: 11/03/17, 21:31
by moinsdewatt
one more shambles.

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 00:54
by izentrop
Have a modo gone through there : Mrgreen:
Good ben fake video obviously. It had been a long time since we had not done that one : Wink:

There is plenty of room for a micro-motor or electromagnet and a button cell. Probably a small PC fan motor or only one coil left. This kind of bricolo do that with recycle.

The fact that it can stop and restart one way or the other rotation, is explained by a magnetic contact or other switching.
The coil is solicited each time the contact closes, the flywheel's inertia ends the turn. Relaunch at each pulse. Very little power, that's why the speed increases gradually.
We can stop it, as long as it does not correspond to the position of the contact and restart in both directions

Same principle here but more rude.

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 09:03
by Janic
Good ben fake video obviously. It had been a long time since we had not done that one : Wink:
There is plenty of room for a micro-motor or electromagnet and a button cell. Probably a small PC fan motor or only one coil left. This kind of bricolo do that with recycle.
The fact that it can stop and restart one way or the other rotation, is explained by a magnetic contact or other switching.
The coil is solicited each time the contact closes, the flywheel's inertia ends the turn. Relaunch at each pulse. Very little power, that's why the speed increases gradually.
We can stop it, as long as it does not correspond to the position of the contact and restart in both directions

Skeptical gentleman has gone through this with his unbridled imagination.
This montage is all that is classic and without special effects. A support plate, 2 bearings, 2 bearings, a shaft, a hollow engine flywheel, a crankpin balancing mass, a leaf spring and an adjustment counterweight. No mechanical mystery in there. So motor: yes as long as there is a movement generated by the outside, then by the spring; "perpetual" is something else since in these systems the friction inevitably slows down all mechanics, as for obtaining usable torque at the output, I do not think that is the claim of the system.

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 09:53
by izentrop
Janic wrote:So motor: yes as long as there is a movement generated by the outside, then by the spring
The spring brakes but does not bring energy ... and you treat me funny : Mrgreen: .
So a hidden engine or an external blower like Robert33's hoax http://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/forum/viewt ... 4&start=25

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 10:06
by Did67
You still can not argue and present ideas ??? You need to "treat" (something) ??? AND with that, you sometimes claim a lot of wisdom!

Let ...

What is certain is that the system does not create energy out of thin air ... So presented as an "engine" that would run "without anything", this is cheating. Or a system that would run forever with nothing: ditto. After, whether it is a hidden micro-battery, a spring which manages an initial impulse (therefore an initial contribution of energy), what does it matter ??? It's a tartufferie. Point bar. Really there is nothing to argue about!

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 11:11
by Janic
The spring brakes but does not bring energy ... and you treat me funny

once again, if you took the time to read calmly, without rushing, you would have read that: "
Janic wrote:
So motor: yes as long as there is a movement generated by the outside, then by the spring
The notion of engine does not refer to a car engine, for example, but to a movement according to the dictionary definition
This movement is generated from the outside, by the hand of the operator, it is not intrinsic and so there is no shadow of a hidden engine or any wind tunnel. It's simple mechanics. Then the spring and its counterweight generate an energy return whose value would be determined. However, I still wrote: " friction inevitably slow down any mechanical"So the spring effectively brakes, and does not provide additional energy to make it a perpetual movement generating an exploitable output torque.

For the funny side, it does not concern this subject, but others where there you manifest a flagrant incompetence.

did
What is certain is that the system does not create energy out of nothing ... So presented as an "engine" that would work "without anything",
Not knowing English, I don't know what the video says. So, I did not write that this system worked without anything since the flywheel is launched by the hand of the operator and therefore from the outside, but only that: " There is plenty of room for a micro-motor or electromagnet and a button cell. Probably a small PC fan motor or only one coil left. This kind of bricolo do this with the recovery. "was not credible in this mechanic presented in the video. For the rest, I also wrote for the" perpetual "in quotes:" it's something else because in these systems the friction inevitably slow down any mechanics, as to obtain usable torque output, I do not think it is the claim of the system. "since the tree does not cause anything.
as to: "And with that, you sometimes claim a lot of wisdom ! "I doubt that you will find any writing on my part having such a claim. As for others, I am not the judge!

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 14:22
by izentrop
Did67 wrote:After, whether it is a micro-stacked pile, a spring that manages an initial impulse (so an initial energy supply), how important ???
To bring the demonstration to the one who posted it that the spring is a decoy in this video is important.

From this instant, he moves the weight on the spring and raises the machine that stops no longer and turns without slowing down.
The obvious purpose is to make believe that it is the spring that maintains the rotation thereafter.
In fact, a hidden engine takes over, that's obvious.

A funny man whose language we do not understand, but not important, shows how to turn a fan with button batteries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3Ly5mBhT4
It's a classic of perpetual engine videos.
It is easy to hide this kind of engine in a cup of candle (for example) behind the pulley. The engine does not require power, so it may be under powered to run it. Child's play : Wink:

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 13/03/17, 18:11
by Gaston
Janic wrote:It's simple mechanics.
So simple that it would turn even better without the presence of the spring : Mrgreen:

Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

published: 14/03/17, 08:02
by Janic
So simple that it would turn even better without the presence of the spring
or rather differently because it is not a spring alone, but with a counterweight which changes the moments of inertia. I guess the operator is trying out a particular technique that he is hoping for a difference from with only the launch of a flywheel. Here as for all things it is not the priori that matter but the experimentation. So, assuming that this spring and counterweight effect increases the rotation time of the steering wheel, it opens a way for possible applications in certain areas and if it does not help, the system is abandoned naturally.
In fact a concealed engine takes over, it's obvious.
and concealed where? for your evidence is not exactly so!