End of the 100 engine% diesel or gasoline to 2040 ???

[moinsdewatt]

Automakers ready to become "clean" in 2040

AFP published the 06 July. 2017

The automakers say they are ready to take up the challenge of ending diesel and gasoline cars in France by 2040 but are counting on the state to support this change, by helping, for example, the deployment of recharging points for electric vehicles.

"It's very positive. French manufacturers are already in this dynamic of electrification" of their vehicles, assures the director of communication of the Committee of French automakers (CCFA), François Roudier. The electric car at 20 euros, "we're getting there, but it's a hell of a technical challenge," he said.

The Minister for the Ecological and Inclusive Transition, Nicolas Hulot, promised Thursday that no more diesel or gasoline cars would be sold in France by 2040, a "heavy" objective, especially for manufacturers. "Our own (automobile) manufacturers have in their boxes what to feed and embody this promise," he said.

Renault has recently almost doubled the range of its Zoe, from 240 to 400 kilometers. For its part, PSA has promised that 80% of its models will be available in electric drive by 2023, and must release, between 2019 and 2021, 5 electric models and 7 hybrid models. The trajectory set for 2040 responds to the "notion of investment in manufacturers' production chains, to guide their investments", comments Marie Castelli, secretary general of the National Association for the development of electric mobility (Avere-France) .

"We have visibility needs. (...) It is very important to invest or divest," adds Joël Pédessac, general manager of the French Committee of Butane and Propane (CFBP), a professional organization in the gas industry. liquefied petroleum (LPG). This announcement "is above all a message to manufacturers, to tell them" get moving "," he believes. The bar of 100 electric vehicles in circulation in France was passed this year, whereas there were only 000 in 980. On the LPG side, the fleet is 2010 vehicles.

16 000 charging points

Professionals in the sector nevertheless insist on the need for support from the public authorities for infrastructure development, and in particular for the deployment of charging stations for electric vehicles. "We must have the capacity to recharge an electric or plug-in hybrid vehicle as well as a gasoline or diesel vehicle," insists François Roudier. For manufacturers, if the transition to clean vehicles "does not succeed, it will not be a technical problem with us, but a problem in supporting the infrastructure. People will not buy electrics because they are cannot be recharged ".

France has nearly 5 300 electric charging stations open to the public, which is close to 16 000 charging points. There are also 62 000 points installed in corporate sites, and 44 000 at home. Nicolas Hulot also proposed the creation of a bonus, the amount of which has not been specified, to help poor households acquire new, cleaner or used vehicles by scrapping a diesel vehicle. before 1997 or 2001 before petrol.

A "good device", according to Marie Castelli, who believes, however, that "if we really want to encourage the reconversion of the fleet, the cursor is placed too low at the level of the age of eligible vehicles". For her, it is essential that this premium apply to the purchase of a used electric vehicle.

The first Renault Zoe (2012 release) and Nissan Leaf (2011) begin to be offered second hand, at the rate of 500 units per month, a number that tripled in three years. The Avere-France recorded 4 000 transactions in France last year, 0,07% of 5,6 million used cars.

http://www.connaissancedesenergies.org/ ... 040-170706

[moinsdewatt]

and on the side of Volvo, it moves:

Volvo: a transition to all electrical phase with the announcement of Nicolas Hulot?

Forbes 8 July 2017

While Nicolas Hulot has announced the end of the commercialization of the combustion engine as a flagship measure by 2040, Volvo excels in the art of timing by announcing that by 2019 all their models will be either all electric or hybrid. It's time to see what Volvo looks like under the thumb of Geely, the Chinese automaker who owns it.

The company is smart, fortified by the investment of capital to develop amazing and innovative products; it is evolving more and more efficiently to ensure its durability in a busy market. Wednesday's announcement, revealing that from 2019 all Volvo models will be electric vehicles or powertrain hybrids, is daring. And for such a small company, in the midst of a market so big and competitive as global automotive production, daring can be a winner.


Volvo's history shows us what can happen to independent car manufacturers. Its history has had its ups and downs for decades, very delicate moments occurring after the biggest risk taking. The periods of exhilarating success were punctuated by situations in which the company came close to failure.

Volvo is one of the few car manufacturers of its size and scale that can make such a dramatic change with such confidence. Volvo is a luxury car, which means buyers may be fewer if the cost of batteries causes the final price to rise. The company also has a historic commitment to environmental stewardship that dates back decades - the move to exclusively electric propulsion is a modern extension of this positioning.

If Volvo's announcement made noise in Gothenburg (Sweden), the announced change is not quite as shocking as it looks. There will still be gasoline engines and light hybrids for quite a while. Removing the single-engine car from its range can be seen as a hypocritically environmentally friendly effort to offer buyers only more expensive cars, eliminating the more economical options. However, one can question such a strategy. Hybrids mainly have two complete propulsion systems operating side-by-side: it is therefore not possible to make them less expensive without technological breakthroughs. Rather than wait indefinitely for this to happen, removing these models from its catalog is probably a better decision.

Maybe at the end of the day Volvo will not have to suffer a financial loss in its switch to electric everything. If electric powertrains are more expensive, mainly because of batteries, taking into account everything that Volvo will not have to do, the builder can even save money: emissions tests or certifications; the development of an expensive internal combustion to make last the little bit of remaining performance; fuel economy, or the conformity of the exhaust pipe. Volvo will therefore save these charges that the manufacturer had to duplicate for gasoline models and diesel models.

Instead, Volvo can now reduce its costs by gradually decreasing engine block molding, buying catalytic converters. The Swedish manufacturer will rid us of a habit, which will be quickly perceived from another time, to fill our vehicles with thousands of natural fuels. That's a lot for a car maker as big and as small as Volvo is. On the one hand, Volvo is a global manufacturer, producing world-renowned luxury cars, but on the other hand, Volvo's total sales are far removed from those of the industry giants.

Volvo is still well positioned in this market. While its product range is quite small, it targets consumers willing to invest in high-end models. Moreover, the quality of the design and the style are two elements which, since at least fifteen years, are strongly associated with the image of Volvo, it will play in its favor and one can consider that the Tesla effect will benefit also to Volvo.

For now, after such an announcement, the pressure will only increase for the manufacturer.

https://www.forbes.fr/business/volvo-un ... las-hulot/

[Christophe]

I think it's feasible without any problem whether it's technologically or fiscally ...

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[moinsdewatt]

Nor is it easy for the UK to get out of diesel and 2040 fuel

Aurélie Barbaux Factory New the 26 / 07 / 2017

Seen on the web Like France in its Climate Plan, the British government would like to ban the sale of diesel and gasoline vehicles from here to 2040. But a National Grid report warns that switching to electric mobility would require 10 EPR nuclear reactors like Hinckley Point, reports The Telegraph.

Like France with its Climate Plan, the United Kingdom will announce its intention to ban the sale of diesel and gasoline cars by 2040 with the aim of encouraging the purchase of electric vehicles, British newspapers report. Environment Secretary Michael Gove has warned Britain "cannot continue" with gasoline and diesel cars because of the damaging consequences for health and the environment. “There is no alternative to adopting new technologies,” he said.

An increase in 50% of demand peak

But for the operator National Grid, moving to electric mobility would put enormous pressure on the electricity grid, says an article in the Telegraph. According to his calculations, the maximum demand for electricity would increase by 30 Gigawatts, which would add to the current peak of 61GW, an increase of 50%. To supply it would require the equivalent of nearly 10 times the total power of the Hinkley Point C nuclear power plant under construction by EDF in Somerset. National Grid warns that Britain would become even more dependent on electricity imports that would rise from 10% today to about one-third of consumption.

An urgent problem of pollution

Today, the share of sales of electric vehicles in the UK is only 4%, and the question of the number of charging stations on the territory is also raised. But pollution remains a major problem. The government identified 81 main tracks in 17 cities where urgent measures are needed as they violate the EU's emissions standards, endangering people's health.

A public consultation on the plan to phase out diesel and gasoline vehicles is scheduled for the fall.

http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/pa ... 40.N570328

[Janic]

https://www.consoglobe.com/epuisement-r ... -cuivre-cg
the brass mines are among the biggest polluters, but as it happens in others, we do not care!

[ENERC]

An increase in 50% of demand peak

Note from someone who has never loaded an electric vehicle, who does not know the HP / HC contracts and who never charged during the day! No we do not charge at 19 hours.

Basically, a VE consumes 2 MWh per year (320 € in HP). So if 20 million of VE in France, it makes 40 TWh to compare to our consumption of 400 TWh.

So it's 10%, not 50%. It remains to organize refills to optimize the electricity network.

Besides, a car runs on average 13 000 km / year, or 35 km per day. The 2017 batteries do in the actual 250 km, so an average charge per week. it leaves room for optimization.

[lilian07]

There are even serious reports that show that the EV could reduce the equivalent of a nuclear power station for the benefit of renewable energies, who see their main weak point disappear (intermittency) and especially by smoothing the load peaks of the network. causing mainly the use of fossils to produce electricity. The VE is around 15 Kwh 100 km in consumption and is a door open to carsharing or self drive.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

https://www.consoglobe.com/epuisement-ressources-fin-cuivre-cg
the brass mines are among the biggest polluters, but as it happens in others, we do not care!

That's what I said in the subject about wind turbines ..... everyone wants everything that is not polluting, environmentally friendly or useful to the community but especially not in his field of vision .... or nearby from his home ....

That we bust the landscapes and agriculture of chili to extract lithium all the bobos do not care as long as it's not home

About 70 to 80% of the global lithium resources are below the saline plains of Argentina, Bolivia and Chile. Bolivia, with the world's largest lithium reserves, is still industrializing its lithium mines, while Chile and Argentina are the world's second and third largest producing countries respectively. Resources in Latin America will play a crucial role in meeting the expected global demand for Li-ion batteries, although Australia and China are also leading producing countries at the moment.

Lithium extraction in the Andean Altiplano, however, has many serious problems. A major concern is the amount of water required for the extraction process. The latter is moreover in extremely arid regions and in which a large number of people depend, for their agropastoral activities and, consequently, for their income, of very vulnerable ecosystems.
https://www.letemps.ch/economie/2017/02 ... nsabilites

[moinsdewatt]

Diesel. German cities increasingly hostile

the 03 / 08 / 2017

In Germany, cities worry automakers. Many of them could ban diesel vehicles. Measures that have already been proposed by several major cities around the world.

Will our town halls get rid of pollution in the city? In Germany, the question gives cold sweats to the car industry. Companies in the sector and public authorities gathered in Berlin Tuesday to find solutions to the pollution of diesel vehicles. It's urgent. Several major cities in the country could ban diesel altogether. A dream for green associations, a nightmare for builders and 15 million motorists.

"The preservation of health more important than the right of ownership"
At the forefront of the fight against diesel: Stuttgart. Located in the state of Baden-Württemberg, the regional capital is the most polluted city in Germany. So much so that its administrative court validated Friday the principle of a ban of diesel vehicles in the city, a measure that plans to take the mayor.

Justice had been seized by an environmental organization and she was sensitive to her arguments. The president of the court, Wolfgang Kern, even considered that "the preservation of the public health was more important than the right of the property and the freedom of the owners of cars concerned by this prohibition".

Multiple initiatives

Other German cities have also taken initiatives to reduce traffic. In Bavaria, Munich has partnered with the property developer of the new district of Domagk-Park to offer residents many alternatives to the car: conventional and electric bicycles, scooters, electric cars for rent, etc.

The mayor of Munich, like that of Hamburg, also plans to ban diesel vehicles that do not meet the latest European standards. For cities, the solution should be able to quickly address the health problems caused by exhaust fumes. Especially since the growth of the population should increase their car fleets. By 2030, the city of Munich is expected to have nearly 300 000 new inhabitants.

Asked by the city of Dusseldorf, the German Federal Justice must look into the matter soon. The Federal Court of Leipzig is due to issue a ruling 2018 early on the legality of a ban by cities of diesel vehicles.

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http://www.ouest-france.fr/environnemen ... es-5170357

[chatelot16]

this diesel hunt makes me laugh sadly

the problem is not the diesel but the cars too heavy and too powerful ... if we just car 2 times lighter and 2 times less powerful we would divide pollution by 2 without the need to invent anything

just look back: there are some ten years ago we had cars much lighter and less powerful but alas a gasoline ... it's because it was a gasoline, a carburetor, she consumed what were consuming ... if we did the same thing in diesel we would consume a lot less

alas we waste the potential profit of diesel by making cars heavier and more powerful ... and even worse by removing from the catalog the lighter cars! even the one who wants to be econological by choosing the lighter car can not do it because the lightest model does not exist anymore

diesel has the quality of the best performance ... just use it properly ... and the evolution of diesel is not over ... there is still possible performance improvement