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New Peugeot hybrid gasoline / air: 3l / 100Km




by Obamot » 22/01/13, 20:41

By ... Peugeot ....!

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moinsdewatt wrote:
chatelot16 wrote: ...... another possible niche for compressed air: hybridization of a thermal engine: use of the engine as a compressor in braking, and as a compressed air engine, at startup, so we just reutiliser the mechanics already existing, the system weighs only the tank


eh eh ,

It's coming out!
Revealed to the press today.


The secret has been well kept, here is a new smashing:

PSA Peugeot Citroën launches the battle for low-cost hybrid vehicles

This innovative compressed air solution would be marketed in 2016.


22 Janv 2013 The Echoes

In front of all the existing models or in project of hybrid cars, PSA Peugeot Citroën tries a small revolution with "his" solution: the hybrid technology ... with compressed air. No longer grafting an electric motor, with a heavy battery, on a heat engine, it is this time to marry a small gasoline engine with compressed air. A bold path, but which relies heavily on proven components. And which aims to significantly lower the cost price of these vehicles. A challenge for industry specialists, including Toyota, the father of the Yaris.

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PSA has developed a new hybrid vehicle concept combining a gasoline engine with a compressed air engine, but without the traditional electric battery. - MONIQUE DUPONT-SAGORIN

If the compressed air was already stored on submarines since the Second World War, no one has for the moment engaged in this technology en masse in the automotive world. Philippe Varin, CEO of PSA, unveiled Tuesday this new industry, Hydrid Air, developed in the secret with Bosch, for nearly two years, on four prototypes that have already accumulated 20.000 kilometers. In presenting this work, Guillaume Faury, director of research at PSA, said he wanted to market these first vehicles from 2016, on both brands of the group, although "it remains to cross the stages of industrialization."

At the next Geneva Motor Show in March, Peugeot and Citroën will unveil the first models equipped with the "Hybrid Air". Particularly suitable for cars of segments B and C and utilities, this option could interest for example the replacements of the current Citroën C3 and Peugeot 208. In addition, the General Motors ally could acquire it on the shelf, especially for Opel: "Beyond projects already launched with GM, we will continue to look at innovative topics with them in 2013, so things are open", says Guillaume Faury.

Hybrid low cost?

With its new philosopher's stone, will PSA go so far as to invent the "low cost hybrid"? For the moment, its avowed aim is to develop models emitting about 70 grams of CO2 to 100 kilometers (for now, only 100% electric vehicles do better), consuming 30% less fuel than a version thermal and displayed at less than 20.000 euros. While its current specialty, the diesel hybrid starts rather beyond 30.000 euros. The new project is not aimed at the same customers and could interest, in addition to Europe, emerging countries such as China.

Convinced of the interest of the formula, the State put its hand in the pocket, investing as early as the upstream phase of the project, via the General Commissariat for Investment (CGI), taking a blocking minority in a joint venture led by PSA (Technoboost). "This technology is robust, affordable, easy to maintain, its market will go far beyond Europe," according to Bernd Bohr, head of Bosch. PSA refuses to give an idea of ​​its past and future investment.


http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-sect ... 531049.php

You must of course read 70 grams of CO2 per kilometer (one km).


The idea of ​​Guy Negro finally implemented by a great builder?

Yes and no, but the principle is not exactly the same. It is a vehicle essentially essencel first ....

It is in the urban cycle, when the engine runs for nothing, that its energy would be used to recharge a tank of compressed air, idem braking or cynetic energy would be used to reload the tank ... Chatelot had this idea there just a few days ago : Lol:

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Seen in the French newspaper 2 (you can see it on TV5 in a few minutes).

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/a ... ce-article
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Re: New petrol / compressed air hybrid: 3l. at 100 Km




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by Obamot » 22/01/13, 20:47

Bravo !!! Sorry, I had not seen : Lol:

I tapped as I saw it at the neighbor's house ...

Some will no longer be able to say that we are "against innovation off the beaten track" in this forum !!!

Bein no, we have the easy trigger : Mrgreen: :D : Cheesy: hey hey ...

To all lord honor, I edited, to put your post first!

It was well worth a dedicated thread!
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by Obamot » 22/01/13, 21:08

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moinsdewatt wrote:
Obamot wrote: .... 2016 it's been a long way ...

It will give some grain to grind to Guy Nègre :D 8)


PSA has had to pave the way for European patents on this case.

It will be hard for Guy Négre and MDI.

It's not nice of Peugeot, in their place I would have sought to collaborate with this old fox ... : roll: it's still French innovation, thin!
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by Remundo » 22/01/13, 21:14

er ...

This system is very far from new.

I have also made a complete theoretical study in 2005, encryption to support, in this document on pages 8 to 13

A nose, given the volumes and pressures, it can only advance the car a few hundred meters.

In addition, it remains pure thermal since this pretty compressed air tank cannot be charged on an electrical outlet; it's just regenerative braking [kinetic energy recovery] with compressed air. Not a "large-scale" compressed air storage

PSA prides itself that this system is hyperadapted in the city. He forgets to say that a heat engine is totally unsuitable. So we have a subtle combination of a technical (negligible) part adapted (the regenerative braking with compressed air) with a ultramoritary part and totally unsuitable (a good big Hdi of 100 Ch. Or its equivalent in essence)

In addition, qualifying this vehicle as a “hybrid” is tricky. It is NOT hybrid from the point of view of its sole power source (fuel). It is hybrid from the point of view of its 2 modes of propulsion.

But we have already seen this abusive name on Toyota "Hybrids" which are not rechargeable, are in fact pure thermal with regenerative braking with electric accumulator.

In short, I am not convinced: too shy, too much marketing.

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by moinsdewatt » 22/01/13, 21:18

PSA takes over with an unrivaled model powered by compressed air:

22 Jan 2013

Trapped in the strings on the commercial front, engaged in a heated dialogue with its employees, PSA Peugeot Citroën tried Tuesday to regain control by unveiling a vehicle project without equal in the world, because using compressed air.

PSA presented to the press a project for a new gasoline hybrid power train running on compressed air that could equip vehicles marketed from 2016.

"This is a key step towards the car to 2 liters per 100" kilometers, welcomed the chairman of the management board Philippe Varin during the presentation of what he presented as a world first.

This innovation is based on the use of a petrol engine, an energy storage unit in the form of compressed air, a hydraulic motor-pump unit and an automatic transmission via a specially developed gearbox. PSA.

This allows "energy recovery during braking and deceleration", explained the project manager Karim Mokaddem.

In the city, this type of vehicle runs on compressed air over short distances, before thermal propulsion re-engages.


Like the electric motor, the air motor was developed well before the gasoline engine. But apart from some applications in the field of public transport (trams), this technology has not prospered, due in particular to the low autonomy it allows.

"Breakthrough innovation"

The PSA project was developed as part of a joint venture with the State, which holds a minority stake. "It is an exemplary partnership", welcomed Philippe Bouyoux, Deputy Commissioner General for Investment, because "it is a breakthrough innovation".

German OEMs Bosch and French Faurecia are associated with the project, which allows 45% fuel savings in the city and which should allow PSA to "maintain its leadership in terms of CO2 emissions", according to Mr. Varin. The first French car manufacturer is already present in the diesel-electric hybrid.

The objective of this project is to reduce CO70 emissions to approximately 2 grams per kilometer, compared to approximately 125 generally.

The manufacturer will present this new technology in more detail at the Geneva Motor Show in March. The vehicles that will be equipped with it will cost more than the classic ones, but PSA did not want to quantify this additional cost. It will be "a car accessible to the greatest number", promised its director of research and development Guillaume Faury.

It has the advantage of being easily adaptable to cars and utility vehicles, of being "independent of climatic conditions and of the maintenance network" or of recharging, unlike electric vehicles, praised Mr. Mokaddem.

Proponents of pneumatic propulsion argue that the manufacture of the compressed air tank is much lower than that of an electric battery. His weight is also much lower. This technology is however noisy, unlike the electric motor.



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by gegyx » 22/01/13, 21:26

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by Obamot » 22/01/13, 21:37

Remundo wrote:er ...

This system is very far from new.

I have also made a complete theoretical study in 2005, encryption to support, in this document on pages 8 to 13

A nose, given the volumes and pressures, it can only advance the car a few hundred meters.

In addition, it remains pure thermal since this pretty compressed air tank cannot be charged on an electrical outlet; it's just regenerative braking [kinetic energy recovery] with compressed air. Not a "large-scale" compressed air storage

PSA prides itself that this system is hyperadapted in the city. He forgets to say that a heat engine is totally unsuitable. So we have a subtle combination of a technical (negligible) part adapted (the regenerative braking with compressed air) with a ultramoritary part and totally unsuitable (a good big Hdi of 100 Ch. Or its equivalent in essence)

In addition, qualifying this vehicle as a “hybrid” is tricky. It is NOT hybrid from the point of view of its sole power source (fuel). It is hybrid from the point of view of its 2 modes of propulsion.

But we have already seen this abusive name on Toyota "Hybrids" which are not rechargeable, are in fact pure thermal with regenerative braking with electric accumulator.

In short, I am not convinced: too shy, too much marketing.

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Very well described, better than it was done until then : Cheesy:

It's also a bit like what I said in the first post. It's basically a conventional car first ..!

45% of consumption gain in urban cycle anyway ...

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by chatelot16 » 22/01/13, 22:39

I do not understand why we see in their design engine and hydraulic compressor?

an explosion engine already has piston that can serve as a motor and air compressor ... and there is already a gearbox to run it at the speed it takes for the best efficiency

it still smells the thing broadcast by the communication service without going through the office study box
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by Obamot » 22/01/13, 23:00

It is not easy either to manage all these flows, modern diesel engines are very sophisticated ... It was then necessary to develop a completely new and specialized engine! It may not be in their strategy of developing a new engine (since in principle there are common engines for different vehicles including Citroën, to distribute R&D costs ...)

There is also a risk that unburned gases during the swing propulsion explosion to the storage of compressed air is found in the compressed air tank! For example when the owner of the vehicle is not careful with the maintenance of his vehicle.

What about the risk of explosion or failure in this case?

It is probably that they have studied all the problems posed, wherever this type of vehicle will be to choice:
- hybrid air.
- electric hybrid.

In short, there can be many reasons, including yours ...;)
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