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France.fr, the debate of a computer fiasco




by Christophe » 25/07/10, 12:40

Have you heard about the France.fr website fiasco? If not, here is the summary.

Another example of blatant incompetence on the part of certain "high places" and more generally of mismanagement of public money in France ... but if there was only that ...

It makes me laugh (yellow) anyway!

France.fr, the story of a debacle

An "operational relaunch in the second half of August": this is the objective set by the Government Information Service (SIG) for the France.fr site, which has been down since its official launch on July 14th.

This "portal to France" was presented last week as an entry point in five languages ​​for tourists, foreign investors or expatriates, and should also offer links to various public services. But just a few hours after it was put into service, the site, "built in twelve months thanks to the work and enthusiasm of young and innovative French SMEs" (PDF), broke down. The fault, then explained Thierry Saussez, the head of the SIG, to too much traffic on the site, with 25 connections.

(for info: 25 connections if it's not simultaneously it's NOTHING AT ALL ... And I don't think it is because rare are the sites which have such traffic except google, facebook, youtube .. .but with "regionalizations"!

An explanation that makes Yoran Brault smile, specialist developer of Drupal, the CMS (site management system) used by France.fr. "A site of this nature that 'goes down' with only 25 connections is very little. Even with double the number of visits, that would not explain such a failure." Drupal is used by several high traffic sites, including, in France, the information sites Rue000 and Mediapart, for which Yoran Brault is developing optimizations.

“Mediapart like Rue89 uses four servers each and works very well with several tens of thousands of visitors every day. Above all, this type of problem is relatively quick to correct: when Mediapart experienced a peak in attendance with the revelations on the Bettencourt affair [the site had been inaccessible for a few hours, Editor's note], we were able to correct the problem fairly quickly, "explains Yoran Brault.

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CHANGE OF HOST

For the GIS, the problem encountered by France.fr comes from the servers, and therefore from its host, Vert2all, a subsidiary of the Cyberscope company specializing in "green" IT, with a labeled data center in a " semi-buried secure troglodyte concrete bunker ", according to the description made by the SIG. After launching an audit and announcing a doubling of the number of machines dedicated to the site, the SIG announced Thursday that "it is probable [that it will have to], despite the summer period and taking into account the administrative and regulatory constraints specific to public contracts, change host ".

With an overall budget of 1,6 million euros, the site had been the subject of a call for tenders. Can the government suddenly change host? Yes, explains Marc Richer, lawyer specializing in public procurement. "The public person can always terminate a public contract for fault", he explains. "In the case of a site that has been the subject of a major promotion campaign, an accelerated procedure for the award of a new public contract is possible, but it will still take two weeks."

(...)

PUB OFFER

The company OVH, one of the main French hosts, took the leap, and offered Friday to host the site free for a period of one year. The company, located in Roubaix, claims 80 servers in its data centers. Its offer looks very much like a "publicity stunt", but Octave Klaba, its founder, considers that "it is important that France.fr is hosted in France, via French companies". OVH did not participate in the initial call for tenders, the company specializing in the supply of "data center resources 'within the hour' and at the best prices", explains the CEO. According to the calculations of the company, which does not have all the elements of the specifications, hosting a site like France.fr would cost around 000 euros per month.


Suite and source: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/arti ... 51865.html

Some information about accommodation at OVH:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/ecosalle-d ... t5038.html
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by elephant » 25/07/10, 17:22

yeah! But heho! Months too I have sites on ovh! I hope he will not take advantage of it to raise prices! : Evil:
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by Christophe » 25/07/10, 22:05

I do not see the link... :?: : Shock:

In any case, hosting is like computing: it can only drop to equivalent performanceq ... see Moore's law to what seems ...
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by elephant » 25/07/10, 22:06

It's simple: if they want to afford the homeland a service worth 10.000 euros per month, they must increase (this is to be feared)
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by Forhorse » 25/07/10, 22:21

Anyway I hate this host who knows only shit on small customers. (several bad experiences with them)
There are many other French hosts much more serious than them
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by Christophe » 25/07/10, 23:06

0) OVS had a very bad reputation but it has improved a lot since 2-3 years ago ...

1) Now if you think that OVH is zero, look at the figures (reliability, bandwidth, quality-performance / price ratio ...) it has become the 1st European hosting company starting from "nothing" in less than 10 years ... it's not for nothing. So for once a French company is working, please stop shitting in the bôtes !!

Elephant does not fear anything, among the 80 000 server ovh your sites should represent only a tiny part of their turnover ... and here I am talking about physical server, if you have a shared hosting there is roughly between 10 and 1000 customer clients / site by server, a reverse dns on your domain will tell you ...

2) If OVH is getting a publicity stunt thanks to france.fr it is because it has done its accounts and I don't see why this "free" would be transferred to other customers (to think that is not logical) c is just a benefit in kind and anyway 4 or 5 servers out of 80 is not very heavy ...

3) But I still think that the 10 000 € monthly are exaggerated (look at the price of the "really big server" of OVH it does not exceed 600 € / month) ... except if that includes the guys who watch the uptime exclusively for this site (on-call etc ...) .... good after you have to see the cost of the bandwidth but it's not youtube or dailymotion either ...

4) Anyway it's not OVH the debate ... if?
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by elephant » 26/07/10, 08:35

in a sense, yes. Will they do better than others?
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by Christophe » 26/07/10, 10:00

No, because you are suing ovh.

And I do not see why they would not do better because there is obviously Proven incompetence at the level of accommodation that has been undersized and especially without any reactivity ... read again the article.

An institutional site that falls with 25 000 connections (per day?) Is ridiculous ... or so either:

a) it was coded with the feet and it overloads the server (s) in requests (http and mysql or other database used) = responsibility of the developers / coders but also of the host who does not react on and propose a quick solution (ovh proposes on this point: load balancing, could, cluster ...)

b) he suffered "attacks" = responsibility of network admins and the host to secure his network and servers but also coders to secure their scripts ...

In short, there is only one person in charge.

But in any case France still passes for what abroad? It was not really worth it after the "football performance" last month ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by elephant » 26/07/10, 12:12

Christopher said:

But in any case, France still goes for what?


1) is the problem of many public orders, all over the world: they should be made by competent people. And not always looking for the cheapest or favoring friends.

2) you do not care, you're Alsatian! (and soon Belgian?) (Pay attention to what you will answer : Mrgreen: )
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by Christophe » 26/07/10, 12:14

1) I hope the incompetent put uptime clauses in the contract ... : Cheesy:

Looking for the cheapest is really stupid as a public market policy ... after we are surprised to have to redo the roads every 5 years in Wallonia ... : Mrgreen:

2) I had the best pinard, now I have the best beer! : Mrgreen: (what's your answer?)
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