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Carbon tax (€ 300 for some households)




by recyclinage » 22/07/09, 14:06

"We are going to tax a certain number of behaviors, mainly that which consists in using energies of fossil origin", indicates Michel Rocard, who chairs the expert conference on the Contribution Climat Energie (CCE). Barely revealed, the measure is already controversial.

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Michel Rocard, who chairs the expert conference on the Climate Energy Contribution (CCE), or "carbon tax", indicated on Wednesday July 22 on France Inter that it should only apply to fossil fuels ( oil, gas, coal) from the year 2010. It thus confirms the information published in Les Echos on Wednesday morning. The daily indicated that the carbon tax on "fossil" energies will consist of a contribution of 32 euros per tonne of CO2 emitted from 2010.
"Basically, it is about that", but "it is an opinion: the government remains in control of its decision, which it will take at the time of the drafting of the finance bill 2010", specified Michel Rocard on France-Inter.
"We are going to tax a certain number of behaviors, mainly that which consists in using energies of fossil origin" responsible "for the greenhouse gas (which will) transform the planet into a frying pan and make the pursuit of life impossible on the planet ", declared the former Prime Minister on France Inter.
The bill will be around 300 euros per year "for a little more than half of households", he said.

Offset in terms of purchasing power

If "this is a new tax a little special, this drain on purchasing power should not be too terrible" for households, assured the former Prime Minister. "It is widely expected that we must compensate for that, but in terms of purchasing power, so as to leave the price signal intact, the incentive for people to travel less, to gradually have electric cars, to double windows to save on heating, heat to 19 degrees, "he said.
"These compensations are very partial", notes the UFC-Que Choisir, which denounces, Wednesday, in a press release, a "fiscal hold-up" consisting of "taxing consumers to lower the costs of businesses". "This carbon tax is nothing more than a social VAT measure disguised under an ecological pageantry," considers the association, indicating that it "will fight these proposals which, if adopted by the government, would constitute the worst-case scenario for the purchasing power of consumers ".

UFC-Que Choisir sees another purpose

"It is not a charge intended to improve the financing of the State", underlined Michel Rocard, assuring that it was a question of "modifying our behavior".
For the UFC-Que Choisir, however, "there is no doubt that the more the tax will increase, because it is its vocation, the more the State will capture the tax revenue to the detriment of consumers". The association accuses the Rocard commission of wanting to "use the tax revenue to finance the abolition of the business tax".
The association for the defense of consumers would prefer "the green check device where all tax revenue is returned to consumers".
Asked about the subject during the report of the Council of Ministers, government spokesman Luc Chatel did not confirm Michel Rocard's proposal. The former Prime Minister "must submit his conclusions on Friday" to Jean-Louis Borloo (Ecology) and Christine Lagarde (Economy). "Let us wait for the official proposals of Michel Rocard to react", he concluded.
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by recyclinage » 22/07/09, 17:47

The Greens today estimated that Michel Rocard's proposals on the Climate Energy Contribution (CCE), or carbon tax, represented "a small step" but "lacked ambition", "given the climate and social emergency. ". "We regret the exclusion of electricity, largely derived from nuclear or coal-fired power stations" and "the exclusion of the most polluting industries, those which emit the most CO2 because they are linked to the quotas, "writes in a statement, the spokesperson of the environmental party, Djamila Sonzogni.

But what the Greens "deplore in the first place is that it is the households which should be the first payers". "Of the 8 billion that this tax could bring to the State, more than 50% would be paid by households. It is indeed a question of a + green check + but the device remains unclear," she says. "We should also and above all offer support measures for investments that help reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as in the housing and transport sectors so as not to penalize the most disadvantaged," they say.

Wishing not "to be limited to market mechanisms", the environmentalist party would like to see support "for investments in public transport, car sharing, renewable energies, building insulation". "The Rocard report on the climate energy tax represents a small step but still insufficient given the climate and social emergency", they conclude.








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by elephant » 22/07/09, 21:09

If I understand correctly, we will tax the poor who do not have the means to carry out the work, in particular the tenants whose owners do not want to incur costs ????? : Cry:
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by recyclinage » 23/07/09, 11:05

While the report of the committee of experts chaired by Michel Rocard must be submitted to the government on Friday, the first tracks mentioned in the press have already aroused many reactions.


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While the committee of experts on the carbon tax, chaired by Michel Rocard, must officially submit its report to the government on Friday, July 24, the first guidelines adopted, unveiled on Wednesday by Les Echos and by the former Prime Minister, are already talking a lot. .
On the government side, Industry Minister Christian Estrosi ruled on Wednesday that this climate energy contribution should "affect the purchasing power and consumption of households as little as possible". "We must target as accurately as possible so as not to put employment or our economic activity in difficulty," he added on the occasion of the LCP / France Info / AFP "Questions info" broadcast.
"Tax hold-up"

Secretary of State for Sustainable Development Valérie Létard called for "caution" on the application of the carbon tax to electricity, "a very sensitive subject for the most modest families".
The UFC-Que Choisir has denounced a "fiscal hold-up on the mode of the automobile sticker of the years 1960-1970", while the French Union of petroleum industries (Ufip) estimated that the project would increase the cost of fuels of 7 to 8 euro cents per liter, or the equivalent of a 20 dollars increase in the price of a barrel of oil.
The Greens regretted the exclusion of electricity, judging that Michel Rocard's proposals were "a small step" but "lacked ambition". According to Les Echos, the report of the committee of experts would indeed plead for the establishment on January 1, 2010 of a tax only on fossil fuels (gas, coal, oil) and not on electricity produced from power plants. charcoal.
Mixed on the "green check"

Interviewed on France Inter on Wednesday morning, Michel Rocard explained to him that the round table had not reached an agreement on electricity, but that he thought it should be taxed. In his report, however, he would appear mixed on the idea of ​​a "green check" intended to redistribute part of the tax to low-income households: according to him, this compensation should only be "partial" and "transitory".








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by recyclinage » 25/07/09, 12:35

Carbon tax: the UMP tries to appease the spirits

The Tribune.com - 23 / 07 / 2009 | 11: 41 - 300 words

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After strong reactions on Wednesday to Michel Rocard's first proposals on the carbon tax - which will tax the consumption of fossil fuels in an attempt to change consumer behavior - the UMP reacted through the voice of Dominique Bussereau, secretary of State for Transport, and Dominique Paillé, deputy spokesperson for the UMP.
THE CARBON TAX, NOT YET PRESENTED BUT ALREADY CONTESTED

Faced with the strong reactions to the announcements of Michel Rocard on the carbon tax, Dominique Paillé, deputy spokesperson for the UMP, assured this Thursday that this tax would result in "no increase in taxation".

Michel Rocard will present to the government, on Tuesday July 28 - according to a statement by the Minister of the Economy Christine Lagarde on Thursday - all the recommendations produced by the conference of experts held on the subject and that he chaired. These experts suggest in particular targeting the consumption of fossil fuels by partially compensating the most exposed households and businesses. The former Socialist Prime Minister also wanted, on a personal basis, that electricity be included in the scope of this tax.

"The President of the Republic is committed so that there is no tax increase. There will be on the part of the UMP a lot of vigilance so that it is so", thus declared Dominique Paillé. "If there are to be new taxes, they must be substitutions for what already exists," he explained. "No one should be harmed".

It is "too early" to assess the cost of the carbon tax

Dominique Bussereau, Secretary of State for Transport at the Ministry of Ecology, also tried to calm the spirits at the microphone of RMC and BFM TV. At the mention of an amount of 300 euros per year for more than half of households advanced by Michel Rocard, he felt that it was too early to assess the cost of this tax. "You should not throw numbers into nature". "From the moment we give figures, we lead to fears, fears or on the contrary approvals", he added.

"This report will be given to the government within a few days, then the government will take it up and then we'll see," he said.








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The carbon tax: how to avoid that it penalizes the most




by recyclinage » 27/07/09, 11:08

The carbon tax: how to avoid it penalizing the poorest

Is it possible to create an ecologically efficient and socially acceptable carbon tax? While the idea of ​​introducing this new instrument into French taxation no longer encounters any obstacle in principle, the debate is now focused on this double question.

The carbon tax, also called the climate energy contribution, aims, by increasing the price of fossil energy (fuel oil, gasoline, gas, etc.) used in transport and buildings, to lower the level of greenhouse gas emissions. greenhouse responsible for global warming. It would apply to businesses and households.
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The government, which plans to launch this reform from the 2010 budget bill which will be debated in the fall, has promised that neither the competitiveness of the former nor the purchasing power of the latter would be affected.

Regarding households, Michel Rocard, president of the conference of experts responsible for making recommendations to the government by July 24, had allowed his preference to filter a few days ago by evoking a "green check subject to means".

The personalities gathered for the last time around the former prime minister, Thursday, July 9, converged on the idea of ​​granting financial compensation only to the poorest households.

"If we want the signal on energy prices to be effective, it should not be canceled for everyone", explains Fabienne Keller (UMP), president of the Senate working group on ecological taxation , who had submitted a favorable report on the carbon tax the day before.

Up to what level of income should we go? "The cursor is not stopped, but, for the tax to reach its goal, it would seem reasonable to me to limit the compensation measures to a quarter of the poorest French people", advances Yves Martin, former president of the interministerial mission on the greenhouse effect and Michel Rocard's right-hand man in this operation.

In addition to income, other criteria could be taken into account, such as the number of people per family, or the fact of living in a rural area which introduces, as shown by studies by the Environment Agency and of energy control (Ademe), a real inequality in the face of taxes. At 32 euros per tonne of CO2 in 2010, the tax would take an average of 300 euros from a household living in the countryside - dependent on their vehicle to get to work and heating their individual homes with fuel oil -, against 80 euros for a Parisian residing in an apartment building.

Host Nicolas Hulot, who has been carrying this carbon tax proposal since the 2007 presidential campaign, suggested paying back all of the tax collected from households in the form of a "green check" identical for all and corresponding to the average energy bill of a French person. Thursday, he was satisfied with the turn of the debates. "We made this suggestion because it makes it possible to completely erase the impact of the increase in energy on the most modest households by penalizing more and more heavily those who do not make an effort to change their behavior, a "He said. But we don't have a problem with this check not being paid to everyone. The important thing is to find a socially acceptable balance that allows us to engage in virtuous collective behavior in our society."

Ademe calculated that with a "green check" of 160 euros, modest households would be net beneficiaries of the carbon tax. The lowest 10% of rural households would "earn", for example, 19 euros after paying their heating and fuel bills. In urban areas, 50% of households - that is to say those located below the median income which amounted to 27 euros in 150 - would still earn 2006 euros. "We have worked very finely. There is no question of weakening those who already have the most difficulty in coping. They are tenants, do not always have access to credit to change their equipment", underlines Gaël Callonnec, economist at Ademe. The stake is elsewhere. "It is necessary that the better-off who by their way of life emit the most greenhouse gases change their habits. They have the means to do so. This is all the more important that they structure the consumption desires of the rest of the world. the population ", underlines Yves Martin. The "rich" will have to set an example or else they will be more and more heavily taxed since the carbon tax is intended to increase gradually. At the Strategic Analysis Center, where the meeting was held, the idea seemed to agree with the PS deputy Jean-Yves Le Déaut as the UMP senator Fabienne Keller. In the same way that the automobile bonus-malus has made it possible to identify the most polluting vehicles, the carbon tax must make it possible to target lifestyles consistent with the fight against global warming.

Whatever form the compensation will ultimately take, experts believe that the creation of the carbon tax must not lead to an increase in the current level of taxation and therefore result in a reduction in other Specimens. Which ? The debate remains open. The supporters of an abolition of the professional tax - a time mentioned by the President of the Republic - found themselves isolated because "it would be particularly unacceptable to have households finance the reduction in a tax hitherto paid by companies ", argued Jean-Yves Le Déaut (PS).

On the other hand, the need to carry out the creation of the carbon tax simultaneously with a review of all taxation seems to be unanimous. "We agree that the creation of a carbon tax would mark the start of an ambitious shift from a tax system that penalizes work towards a tax system that protects the environment", rejoices Nicolas Hulot.

It will be a long way. Environmental taxation today represents 3,8% of gross domestic product, ten times less than the tax burden on labor.








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by gegyx » 27/07/09, 12:36

Let's say that the wastage stops, that consumption decreases because energy is more expensive.

The distribution will no longer be the same, and there will always be a shortfall to distribute to the most needy with incompressible expenses.
(following the increase in oil prices, we have seen the redistribution of the fuel premium, while the vat earned was lower than the previous year.
Also, with the ecological bonus which will end this year)

To compensate, will we further increase the rate of the carbon tax?
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by recyclinage » 27/07/09, 12:39

(besides what you say)

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