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Decay or decay - Vincent Cheynet




by sen-no-sen » 09/06/14, 21:25

A short video that sums up politics well, what can I say about the cult of growth!

Decay or decay - Vincent Cheynet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCsxj-uaNOs
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by Ahmed » 13/06/14, 22:15

Yes, it is a good illustration of this cult. More important is to understand the reasons for this behavior.

As has been said, growth makes it possible to alleviate the present dissatisfactions, by allowing a reasonable hope of improvement to prosper; it is also the "fuel" of the ego of the political oligarchy, since it is what provides the state means to act.

Beyond phenomenology and much more fundamentally, the entire current economy is based on the transformation of initial capital into increased capital: the chances of the market are only faced at this price!
Growth is therefore consubstantial with capitalism and there is no need to look elsewhere for another reason.

Since the production of simple goods no longer allows the reproduction of capital due to the constant decrease in the value produced by a commodity in labor in digital decline, the relay has been taken over by fictitious capital (which holds, as capital, the same possibility of value creation as living labor, as a reflection of the latter) which, far from sucking the marrow of the real economy, energizes the latter in vast proportions, while producing an enormous mass of value self-referential.

Obviously, this astonishing performance comes at the cost of an ever increasing fragility of the functioning of the whole: this Ponzi scheme is untenable in the long term, since it must always rise higher on pain of an immediate collapse. ...
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by Ahmed » 06/07/14, 19:33

In the same spirit, a work to be published soon: "Debt and extractivism" by Nicolas Sersiron, Editions Utopia.
Interesting synthesis between all aspects of extractivism * which therefore relates the exhaustion of natural resources (in the broad sense), the climate and social crisis.

* I borrowed this enlightening concept from him for a long time. 8)
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by chatelot16 » 06/07/14, 19:57

as long as we only talk about growth or decline we understand nothing

the world is not in a single dimension which can only increase or decrease: the world is in multiple dimensions with things which increase and others which decrease ... and especially with useful things and harmful things

the calamity of the last tens of years is that many harmful things grow faster and stifle what is useful

so if we only count what is useful, decadence has been going on for a long time

we could easily return to useful growth simply by decreasing what is harmful ... so simply by leading the country with more competence

thanks to the decrease of what is harmful we could have useful growth without general growth, and even with a decrease in energy consumption!

is there a pilot on the plane?
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by Ahmed » 06/07/14, 20:50

Yes, there is a pilot on the plane, but the instructions he receives are going in the wrong direction!
Certainly, some things increase and others decrease, but one would understand nothing if one kept to this simple observation.
And, if harmful things increase faster than useful things, it is because utility is not the engine of expansion.
The only "utility" that prevails is that which promotes, in whatever form, the accumulation of abstract value (and sometimes, it may accidentally result in concrete utility).
The direction * of the country is therefore not a problem of competence, but of objective ...

* Direction is a very big word, since at its head there are only representatives of economic powers ... politics, in the strict sense, is resolutely absent.
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by James » 11/09/14, 14:14

thanks for the video link
I'll go see her tonight when I get home from work
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by Obamot » 13/09/14, 02:32

chatelot16 wrote:as long as we only talk about growth or decline we understand nothing

the world is not in a single dimension which can only increase or decrease: the world is in multiple dimensions with things which increase and others which decrease ... and especially with useful things and harmful things

I would say "is multi-dimensional because it is made up of multiples: small, medium, and more respectable, systems, all nested within each other, to form even larger systems between them, and between other systems themselves also composed of sets", some of them being antagonistic, others sometimes rubbing shoulders without ever meeting, but only apparently ...

It is only the citizens who are largely dropped in there, lost in a world of increasingly pointed specialists (then to control the world through these systems, and to continue to direct it by fear it is necessary to approach that from a geopolitical point of view! Do we not make the world believe on a global level: "imaginary enemies"? Didn't it take treasures of strategy to "invent new wars"and new enemies (after the end of the cold war) and to revive the whole armaments industry: shouldn't we invent ourselves on September 11? Then the war in Afghanistan, that of 'Iraq No2 "to finish the job", the hundreds of thousands of deaths of the "Arab Spring" as for them, do not ask these questions any more! Was not this "Spring" he not fomented from all parts by the C_I_A (which partially recognized it through its funding and even some political intentions) and all the procession of political assassinations that we have witnessed (from Arrafat to Commander Massoud, via Hariri and of course the collateral martyrs since civilians not directly involved represent statistically the 95% of victims by drone attacks)? Wasn't all this organized to "go to war" against an enemy that was almost non-existent at the start, but which has grown over time, almost exclusively to cause of the massacres caused by any war itself f ace with such arbitrariness and such a disproportion of means ...? Or do we really have hereditary enemies among our Arab friends, who however in their vast majority are completely placid peoples and of peaceful tradition? (Just like our peoples in general, by the way ...)

Ahaaaa, the "djhi @ distes" they have beautiful backs (but where do they come from if not recruited by the thousands in Europe itself!), These small groups "invented" from all parts by the C_I_A using big boxes filled with dollars and sent by helicopter to the "theaters of operations" (I'm not inventing anything, all of this is very seriously documented), with among them "good"Al-Quaidists fighting against"bad". Chair with cannon too easy to find among those and those who dream of fighting against what represents in their eyes, an ideal field of challenge against a society they reject! So, is not it so practical , that a protest movement comes to be consumed all by itself from the inside via the invention of "suicide attacks" supposed to glorify those who practice them? At least it was believed, until now to have managed to found a -said state en "ic" without a body, which makes us wonder, who is really pulling the strings of all this?!?!

Pinch me where this world is only a fiction whose wars and banks self-feed a sort of need for rupture, which no longer manages to "express itself" exclusively through stock market cracks and wars? Where is the world as it is, as reported by the media? Pinch me! These are all the same elements that are missing from your analysis, Chatelot.

But don't count, neither on the majority of journalists nor on politicians to tell you ... Because it looks like they don't even have the internet, to hear them playing so much ostriches! Here... "the Ostrich", well it sounds good as a country name that ...! : Cheesy:

chatelot16 wrote:the calamity of the last tens of years is that many harmful things grow faster and stifle what is useful

The calamity of the last forty years is that the banks have become more powerful than the people they are meant to serve, and that money has become a "market value" when it is only a writing. accountant, these are (along with the above) the main causes of the suffocation you are talking about.

When a bank does business volume out of 100 with only 10 in its pocket, without taking any risk with its own funds (since the loans you contract from it are immediately reimbursed by new money via "our" national banks ) and that the dividend of a country's labor force is not returned to the populations via the only real and unique market which is the "productive market" (and not "the steps"synonyms of excessive speculation: I mean the primary and secondary sectors together, with a little tertiary sector parked there ...) and well we have a BIG problem. It is precisely the fact that these sectors only represent more than 20% of the total of human activity (and the tertiary 80%) while it should be proportionally rather the reverse, or at least that man should devote himself to much more useful tasks (such as the environmental cause) than 'he is currently abandoning.

chatelot16 wrote:so if we only count what is useful, decadence has been going on for a long time

CQFD = the explosion of the tertiary sector (some of which is useful, anyway)

chatelot16 wrote:we could easily return to useful growth simply by decreasing what is harmful ... so simply by leading the country with more competence

It's not complicated, a very prominent solution at the moment, it is the "universal basic income" ... it is a reasonable way which would allow to think other than in terms of "fear of losing one's job", to go towards "real jobs" and to put the cards back in the hands of the citizens (and this is not a utopia, its funding has already been calculated and this would already be feasible in the current state of the situation). Because contrary to what one thinks, this would give a fantastic impetus to develop civic-mindedness (the "profiteers" then no longer having any interest in profiting since it would be given to all, they could find other grounds of recognition. .).

chatelot16 wrote:thanks to the decrease of what is harmful we could have useful growth without general growth, and even with a decrease in energy consumption!

If our societies are not yet ready intellectually and psychologically for basic income, they are even less ready to move towards degrowth. On the other hand, from this perspective, basic income is a must.

chatelot16 wrote:is there a pilot on the plane?

Currently, what drives the world apart from "new management" and "real politik" are the "adjustment variables" of "the economy". If we exceed the 3% deviation from the "trend", we catch the common cold, at 4% it is inflation and a heavy death, at 5% pneumonia in addition and at 6% we would not be far from the 3rd world war (thank you Middle East, still a little effort on the side of the Gaza Strip, it would only have to be completely razed to the ground and with the debacle of "Arab Spring"we would almost be there ...)
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