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by Christophe » 14/02/11, 10:26

Topic reminder (no pun intended) on meat consumption.

Two documents on livestock production and meat consumption in France and worldwide. This type of meat with comparative between countries and historical evolution:

a) Meat consumption in France and historical

b) Consumption and production of the types of meat in the world


summary documents found in topic: surbouffe and junk food

ps: see or review also the-pack up-to-the-meat-in-the-supermarkets-t4852.html
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by sen-no-sen » 07/02/17, 18:50

An interesting article from JM Jancovici that reminder, figure to support that this is in large part on our plates that plays the fight against global warming and by extension the limitation of ecocide.

If 2016 year was the hottest since the start of the temperature readings (in 1860), not only transport, again under fire from the news right now, that we owe this result. Worldwide, transport entails 15% of our emissions (6% for cars, 4% for trucks and 2% each for air and sea), which is a lot, but not the majority.
In the rest, there is a very large piece that is not often in the news: eating. In a broad sense, it's more than 30% of the total!

https://jancovici.com/publications-et-co/articles-de-presse/ah-la-vache/


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Evolution of meat consumption per person in France (in kg per year) on 2 centuries.

One can easily see that this consumption 5 has increased in two centuriesAnd more or less follows the evolution of the energy consumption per person.


There is again the clear link between energy dissipation and food habit ...
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by Janic » 07/02/17, 19:30

the most important factor is the population explosion and rising living standards without which animal consumption would have less impact.
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by sen-no-sen » 07/02/17, 19:41

Janic wrote:the most important factor is the population explosion and rising living standards without which animal consumption would have less impact.


Yes that's a given, the more directly related to the dissipation of energy:

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Changing demographics of 1650 to today ...


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Changes in energy consumption 1860 to today ...
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by Ahmed » 07/02/17, 21:56

... So, if the curve of the energy comes to fall (as a Gaussian curve), demographics will follow, but it will be less enjoyable than the other way ... : roll:
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by sen-no-sen » 07/02/17, 22:45

Ahmed wrote:... So, if the curve of the energy comes to fall (as a Gaussian curve), demographics will follow, but it will be less enjoyable than the other way ... : roll:


Let's say if this drop is the result of a systemic collapse should logically have seen a proliferation of conflicts, famines and therefore a reduction of the population, noted, however, that if it were to continue (growing) world population would end anyway by severely reduced because of ecocide ....
Now nothing prevents to reverse the curve voluntarily by a policy of effective sobriety, unfortunately no policy goes in such a direction, the totality of the current discourse being centered on the "continuation in the worst" ...


The image of the Gauss curve is interesting in the sense that one must understand evolution as an oscillation around an equilibrium point *.
Anything that goes one way goes another, and everything that has been "won" (eg economic growth) is automatically lost later or further.
So if the living standards of industrialized countries increases, it is necessarily at the cost of destruction of ecosystems, or other nations.
Similarly enrichment of a social class is at the expense of another etc ... there is a kind of fractal geometry that is embedded in each area and which corresponds to the evacuation of entropy.


* The most virtuous development policy consisterai to approach EQuilibrium(Condition in which all acting influences are canceled by others, resulting in a stable, balanced or unchanging).
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by Janic » 08/02/17, 09:18

Ahmed wrote:
... So, if the curve of the energy comes to fall (as a Gaussian curve), demographics will follow, but it will be less enjoyable than the other way
Yes and no! Certainly one can consider a catastrophic scenario (not apocalyptic moreover, the meaning is different) as does Sen no sen or attend another scenario.
Indeed, if the energy curve falls, due to lack, the demographic explosion does not slow down in the same way (or even increases even more). The possible solution is to be found in a change in agricultural policy more oriented towards a direct food circuit, from plants to consumers, rather than going through their animal intermediaries, and energy expenditure then becomes much lower. It is therefore like a "step back" (in the eyes of some) but necessary despite everything to avoid unnecessary violence. For the demographics of our regions, sterility is increasing more and more and can become an unexpected regulator. This is less obvious for other “developing” regions (sic) where demography is exploding like Africa, despite campaigns on pseudo AIDS.
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by sen-no-sen » 08/02/17, 19:29

Janic wrote:Indeed if the energy curve comes to fall, by lack, the population explosion is not slowed down in the same way (or even increases more). The possible solution lies in a change in agricultural policy more oriented towards direct food circuit of the plant to the consumer, rather than go through the animal intermediate and energy expenditure by then become much less.


There is little risk of having a fall by "lack" strictly speaking.
RENs play a stabilizing role in the reduction of fossil resources, mainly petroleum, such is the real issue of "sustainable development"
There are still huge reserves of coal, and if it lacks oil, that's no problem we operate gas (including shale) of methane from melting permafrost and thorium to operate nuclear power plants 4 generation (waiting patiently in the shadows the political green light), all sprinkled with REC.

Only a large-scale conflict, for example the Middle East, or a natural disaster could lead to an energy crisis as was the case in 1973 and 1979.

For the demographics of our regions, infertility is increasing more and more and can become an unexpected regulator.


Yes, but mass immigration corrects this small setback ... : roll: As would even be a lack of exploitable labor!

It is less clear for other regions "in process development" (sic) where demography explodes like Africa,


The case of the African continent is indeed of great concern (among others!) Because the only way to curb the explosion of demography would be to increase the level of education, which historically means * industrialize his country.
Excluding initially the measure would have no real effect on limiting the number of births due to inertia (as was the case in European countries).
It would in this scenario at least 30 years to see a decrease of truly significant birth rate, the problem is that in such a case industrialization thus generated would only increase ecocide ...


* Unless you are creating a new form of development, we are ourselves unable to realize here ... : roll:
Do not dream of singing day, the deadline is now past, we have to prepare for the worst ...
What is sad is to see firstly complacency unfounded, and the other suicidal pessimism, but where are the realists?
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by Janic » 09/02/17, 08:19

There is little risk of having a fall by "lack" strictly speaking.

I lacked precision! Obviously this is not the raw material that will be missed, but the relationship between its use and global warming or pollution, for example, encourages its use restricted.
Only a large-scale conflict, for example the Middle East, or a natural disaster could lead to an energy crisis as was the case in 1973 and 1979.

The incentive to "all electric" [*] is intended to make it less dependent on fossil fuels originating outside (admittedly uranium also comes), this is an unpredictable catastrophe could change that.
For the demographics of our regions, infertility is increasing more and more and can become an unexpected regulator.

Yes, but mass immigration corrects this small setback as ... Should not even be a lack of exploitable labor!

I did not take into account an immigration which is generally limited in time and the same phenomena recur in these populations (American model) have adopted the habits of the host country.
It is less clear for other regions "in process development" (sic) where demography explodes like Africa,

The case of the African continent is indeed of great concern (among others!) Because the only way to curb the explosion of demography would be to increase the level of education, which historically means * industrialize his country.

The problem of education according to our model, always to the detriment of the people concerned (the population explosion scares in the socio-political balance game) like the American Indians.
Excluding initially the measure would have no real effect on limiting the number of births due to inertia (as was the case in European countries).
It would in this scenario at least 30 years to see a decrease of truly significant birth rate, the problem is that in such a case industrialization thus generated would only increase ecocide ...

And even much longer to reach people outside of large cities and change their culture.
but where are the realists?

But it's us, it falls under the obvious !!! : Cheesy:

[*] Electricity from hydropower could be greatly expanded, but the whole nuclear policy has put into oblivion.
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by Christophe » 09/02/17, 14:33

Thank you Sen-no-sen for this stimulus subject that shows that diet has a significant impact on the environment (here we already knew but it still deserves to be re-told).
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