Warming up and purchasing power according to Jancovici (video)

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Warming up and purchasing power according to Jancovici (video)




by Christophe » 31/12/07, 17:45

After the inconvenient truth of Al Gore, here is the The truth that hurts the purchasing power (and good to the planet) by JM Jancovici!

We applauded very well!

Too bad that Jancovici only offers the solution of taxation ... especially that it will be limited to France ... unless ... no I say nothing : Mrgreen:
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by Christine » 31/12/07, 19:12

Christophe wrote:
Too bad that Jancovici only offers the solution of taxation ...

It is because it considers that it is the key to the rationalization of the use of the energy.

Only downside: to quote the polystyrene like insulator it is blah blah. But we forgive him :D
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by Christophe » 31/12/07, 19:19

What annoys me with taxation is that if it is not global what would it be used for? Jancovici who still speaks of mass effect, what would be the use of taxing France who consumes less 5% of world oil (roughly) while leaving the rest of the world in the current state?

What is needed is a price of the barrel that explodes ... for everyone! It would happen in the event of a major "crisis" (or conflict) and it's no longer a tax, it's geopolitics ... that's what I meant by "unless" ....

Moreover it may be what wanted to avoid bush invading Iraq ... or at least delay it as much as possible!

It suffices to observe the post crisis measures of 73 and 79 to see the good ones realized during this period (the work of Perrier dates from this period it is not a coincidence I think ...).

For polystyrene, if it's extruded it goes again, in some cases there is that can go (follow my look :D on the other hand, the expanded is clearly exceeded ...

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by loop » 31/12/07, 19:40

Bonsoir

Thank you for this link Christophe
Congratulations to Janco for his frankness on the small screen
Regarding the evocation of renewable energies, photovoltaics was cited
I think that the solar thermal panel is more appropriate, the confusion still exists among specialists?

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by Christophe » 01/01/08, 01:13

loop wrote:Regarding the evocation of renewable energies, photovoltaics was cited
I think that the solar thermal panel is more appropriate, the confusion still exists among specialists?


Yes the thermal is more efficient economically than PV ...
I think Janvo ​​was talking PV ca this interview was to follow a report on PV ... simply ....
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by bham » 01/01/08, 16:15

Christine wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Too bad that Jancovici only offers the solution of taxation ...


Only downside: to quote the polystyrene like insulator it is blah blah. But we forgive him :D

Ben me I do not forgive him, especially when we know that polystyrene is made from oil. But, we will say that it was to have an affordable speech by all.

And other than that, what does it say about oil producing algae, your super Jancovici?

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by Christophe » 01/01/08, 17:06

bham wrote:And other than that, what does it say about oil producing algae, your super Jancovici?

Happy New Year to you all.


To my knowledge not much and that is precisely what confirms my words. Jancovici evokes problems very well but offers little solution except parsimony via taxation ...

But beware if seaweed has a great potential, they are far from being mastered for an industrial production at the moment. See: https://www.econologie.com/huile-carbura ... -3577.html

In other words: a few years of R&D are still missing ...
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by jean63 » 02/01/08, 00:28

Christophe wrote:After the inconvenient truth of Al Gore, here is the The truth that hurts the purchasing power (and good to the planet) by JM Jancovici!

We applauded very well!

Too bad that Jancovici only offers the solution of taxation ... especially that it will be limited to France ... unless ... no I say nothing : Mrgreen:


This is an excerpt from the broadcast spent in prime time on FR3 presented by Marie Drucker that I had announced in the "TV shows" section.
Bon Janco, I liked him for his skills and his great site www.manicore.com but there he starts to gorging me a little with his taxes because we can see that more and more it is the less rich who will shit more and more .... and the full of money will continue to pay the big ones polluting vehicles and they sway of the price of the liter of gasoline (with or without tax, it is not their problem).

The more I see reports on the ever richer and more numerous on the planet who brew huge sums, they they have not had any discussion on the increase of the taxes to come on the polluting vehicles, the gas the commodities based cereals ... etc they ate salmon, caviar, foie gras .... of the highest quality and now are ready to start the year 2008 very serainly without any qualms for the planet with their big sedans, their big personal planes, their yachts, their oversized palaces, their helicopters (even Hulot has a personal to go in his city in Corsica it seems !!! to confirm).

There I think that when I see reports like tonight where an elderly lady with a brain tumor will have to pay the deductibles on the home nurse's travel, and that on her tiny retreat ..... c is disgusting. So the Janco lessons on taxes OK, but they charge those who do not even know their fortune and waste energy and food at the expense of poor people who die in their hole.

A bit of humanity gentlemen donors lesson at the beginning of the year, but they have nothing to do: nothing but their money to gorge on a max to die.
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by Remundo » 02/01/08, 00:33

Christophe wrote:Jancovici evokes problems very well but offers little solution except parsimony via taxation ...


Hello everybody,

Strongly agree: he is kind Janco : Cheesy: . I generally like JMJ's views, but here I totally disagree. We are going to saw each other's legs by overtaxing a little more petroleum products whose consumption cannot be significantly reduced for transport and heating (ESSENTIAL!) And we will not create any wealth, and even certainly poverty. In any case, if we continue, the price of a barrel will take care of itself exceeding our purchasing power without the help of any tax. Peak oil is 40 years away, and if the Americans are going to drag their rangers to Iran, that will give us a taste very quickly (> $ 200 per barrel, € 2 / L of SP95 in France).

Taxing is never in itself a solution. What is needed is massively develop the generation of decentralized or centralized renewable energies: solar, hydro, wind, swell, tides ... There are Gigawattheures !!

In other words: a few years of R&D are still missing.

Again, I think all technologies are ready, although some are far from optimal. Think first of all that the sun brings 10 000 each year human consumption.

Now a small calculation: in the African desert (for example), the average annual solar flux is 300 W / m². PV cells that have a frank yield (10%) will extract 30 W / m² electric.

The average power consumed in France is 54 GW. This would therefore represent a square of 42,4 km on the side lined with PV cells (ie 1800 km²). In the Sahara, it's easy, right? And in France ... in the Mediterranean, flows are 200 W / m²: a large platform at the seaside 400 km² (20x20) is 8 GW, 8 nuclear power stations ...

Smoothing of production can be done by simple thermal storage directly in sand or water surrounded by insulating walls to turn turbines at night (but the overall yield drops to 10% x 50% = 5%)

Of course, the vision is a little (very ...) simplistic. But that's well worth the nonsense of the systematic surcharge, the decay, the climatic apocalypse, etc ... There is energy, it falls on the head and apparently, it engulfs our neurons, or Well, we have the flora to collect it ... : Lol:

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by Christophe » 02/01/08, 09:44

Taxation is an artificial means of raising the prices of a resource.

I think that Janco would be in favor of exchanging his tax against a rise in crude prices.

But we must understand the subtext of his message: a progressive tax today would prevent or at least prepare for a crisis tomorrow which will be in all cases inevitable (unless you find a replacement for the oil thing very unlikely ...).

As an econologist, we can only be FOR an increase in the price of fossil resources even though, I agree, this can widen social inequalities ...
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