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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 10:25

PARIS (Reuters) - Areva announces the acquisition of 70% of Koblitz, a Brazilian supplier of integrated solutions for the production of energy from renewable sources, in particular biomass.

In a press release, the French nuclear group specifies that the founder, Luiz Otavio Koblitz, and the main directors of the company will keep 30% of the capital.

He does not provide the amount of the transaction and indicates that Koblitz, which employs more than 500 people, has participated since 1996 in 76 projects, including 58 using sugar cane for fuel, totaling more than 2.000 MW of installed power.

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What interest for a nuclear player to invest in biomass if not to limit its development ...? Sorry for the paranoia but ... I have a lot of trouble believing that Areva wants to sincerely start developing biomass power plants ...
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by jean63 » 17/01/08, 11:01

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PARIS (Reuters) - Areva announces the acquisition of 70% of Koblitz, a Brazilian supplier of integrated solutions for the production of energy from renewable sources, in particular biomass.

In a press release, the French nuclear group specifies that the founder, Luiz Otavio Koblitz, and the main directors of the company will keep 30% of the capital.

He does not provide the amount of the transaction and indicates that Koblitz, which employs more than 500 people, has participated since 1996 in 76 projects, including 58 using sugar cane for fuel, totaling more than 2.000 MW of installed power.

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What interest for a nuclear player to invest in biomass if not to limit its development ...? Sorry for the paranoia but ... I have a lot of trouble believing that Areva wants to sincerely start developing biomass power plants ...

Why not ? They all do this to be able to say that they have a part of their activity in renewable energy. In this specific case, you have to see that 58 projects out of 76 use sugar cane ... and the rest biomass.

EDF EN (Energies Nouvelles: this "division" of EDF is listed on the stock exchange !!, (just type EDF EN and you see the price and the graph of the share in bourseorama):
Hey weird, it has been falling since Nov 8, 2007, when it should be the opposite (although !! Sarko "sells" more and more nuclear power plants, so interest in renewable energy is declining .... possible explanation):

http://www.boursorama.com/graphiques/gr ... ole=1rPEEN

.... it's time to buy some !! .. I'm kidding. Still, it can be interesting to look at the stock price to try to understand ... but even there the specialists crash (or pretend).

They have just signed 2 large contracts with Chinese suppliers of photovoltaic cells. I gave the info but it went unnoticed:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/achat-de-m ... t4633.html
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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 11:32

For me EDF EN is a bit of a joke ...
Traded ? Waaw and what is their concrete project in France? Do I have to remember that VentdeColere is run by EDF retirees?

EDF (nuclear) is their first customer and this is what conditions their viability with the "Renewable Energy Contributions" taxes on your bills ... therefore without these taxes and without nuclear EDF EN would not even exist ...

Look at their wind farm managed by SIIF a subsidiary of Edf I quote:
https://www.econologie.com/l-eolien-l-en ... s-123.html

Thus wind power seems to be reserved for large companies that already have an energy monopoly, whereas the solution would rather be a micro-wind turbine accessible to all, see participative associations (as in Denmark) for medium power projects.

But there is even worse: let us look at the assembly carried out for the park of Bouin.
A few years ago, under pressure from the State, EDF undertook to buy wind power at a very good price, up to 7,5 cts of € per kWh. This buy-back at a high price is possible thanks to public subsidies (ADEME and others) financed by large companies which are punctured on their energy consumption and to a lesser extent by our taxes and miscellaneous taxes.

Without these subsidies, wind power (large power) is currently not profitable in France.

The financial package for EDF is simple: the Bouin wind farm has around 20 MW installed thanks to subsidies from ADEME and the Region and it is 70% operated by SIIF which is nothing more than a subsidiary of EDF.

EDF therefore buys overcharged but largely subsidized electricity. Obviously the general public receives the classic discourse of sustainable development without knowing that it is he who largely pays for this sustainable development by increasing his bill (to recall the nuclear electricity).

A system where the consumer would pay in full transparency and knowingly the real price for wind power would be much more sustainable ... without financial shenanigans as is currently the case.

We're betting that wind turbines would disappear quickly if subsidies were cut! Where is the logic in that econological?

Please note this speech is only valid for France where the price per nuclear kWh defies all competition!


Well, it's better than nothing ...

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by jean63 » 17/01/08, 11:56

EDF therefore buys back overcharged but largely subsidized electricity. Obviously the general public receives the classic discourse of sustainable development without knowing that it is they who pay in large part for this sustainable development by increasing their bill (remember the nuclear electricity).

A system where the consumer would pay in full transparency and knowingly the real price for wind power would be much more sustainable ... without financial shenanigans as is currently the case.


EDF EN that's it:
Activity
EDF Energies Nouvelles specializes in the production of electricity from renewable energies. Net sales (before intra-group eliminations) by activity break down as follows:
- development, construction and installation of electricity production units (56,7%);
- electricity production (37,3%): from wind energy (No. 1 in France), hydro, solar and biomass;
- operation and maintenance of power plants (6%).
At the end of 2006, the group had an installed capacity of 1 MW (including 036,7 MW owned directly).
Sales are distributed geographically as follows: Europe (48,8%) and the Americas (51,2%).


source: http://www.boursorama.com/profil/resume ... ole=1rPEEN

Yes obviously they are not crazy. Electricity production from wind turbines represents 0,01% or something nearby (Considering the recent JT distribution, even hydraulics is 3%).

They embark on the recovery of wave energy:

http://www.boursorama.com/infos/actuali ... ws=5032822

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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 12:10

Wave energy ... great! Still millions of taxpayers wasted ...

They better invest that in seaweed ... I forget: should not compete with their oil friends ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

For the news, here is a figure they are unlikely to say: 1 nuclear reactor = 1690 large wind turbines from 3MW
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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 12:13

Take a little more explanation:

"A significant step"

Areva will provide Koblitz with its know-how in project management and in the construction of turnkey power plants. The Brazilian company will also benefit from the group's financial capacities and its international sales network. Bertrand Durrande, Director of the Renewable Energies Business Unit, declares: "this acquisition represents a significant step in the development of our biomass offer. After the acquisition of the wind turbine manufacturer Multibrid in 2007, it demonstrates the group's desire to build an industrial activity in renewable energies ".


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by jean63 » 17/01/08, 12:20

Christophe wrote:Wave energy ... great! Still millions of taxpayers wasted ...

They better invest that in seaweed ... I forget: should not compete with their oil friends ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

For the news, here is a figure they are unlikely to say: 1 nuclear reactor = 1690 large wind turbines from 3MW


There it speaks well, but I think it was said in a news.

They tell so much ........

For algae, it will be necessary to suggest them !!!! they shouldn't have thought about it.

By the way did you see this very interesting post?
https://www.econologie.com/forums/les-trams- ... t4640.html
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by jean63 » 17/01/08, 12:23

"A significant step"

Areva will provide Koblitz with its know-how in project management and in the construction of turnkey power plants. The Brazilian company will also benefit from the group's financial capacities and its international sales network. Bertrand Durrande, Director of the Renewable Energies Business Unit, declares: "this acquisition represents a significant step in the development of our biomass offer. After the acquisition of the wind turbine manufacturer Multibrid in 2007, it demonstrates the group's desire to build an industrial activity in renewable energies ".


It is good that AREVA is interested in it, but there too it is a drop in the face of nuclear electricity which will dominate the world soon.

There is going to be the same problem with uranium as with oil: see in Niger right now.
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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 13:02

jean63 wrote:For algae, it will be necessary to suggest them !!!! they shouldn't have thought about it.


I hope you are not serious when you say that ... they are aware of EVERYTHING and many more things and technologies than we are and never will be ...

CEA is working on the biomass liquefaction for a while. I am sure they have a "microalgae" department.

jean63 wrote:By the way did you see this very interesting post?
https://www.econologie.com/forums/les-trams- ... t4640.html


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by Remundo » 17/01/08, 17:07

jean63 wrote:starting from wind turbines represents 0,01% or something nearby (Considering the recent JT distribution, even hydraulics is 3%).


Hello Auvergne friend! Hello everybody,

Nan nan nan, it's more than that hydraulics, it's in the 10% of the electrical energy produced. Wind, less than 1% I believe. very weak, peanut, except on TV where we take it every day in the mirettes !!

I think large groups need:
- either to restore their (nuclear) image
- either to take strategic positions on renewables with a 30-year vision (mainly oil companies)
- either both

In my opinion, Areva is in the first case, it is not with 500 people from Kobitz that it will block the biomass sector, (to answer Christophe).

Or else, the company owns land ... rich in Uranium ores, now I say that without knowing, and I'm a fan of Dallas : Lol:

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