The non-closure of the Fessenheim plant, where is the scam of the negotiations?

[Christophe]

This is a moment we talk about the closure of the Fessenheim plant, see: energies-fossil-nuclear / fessenheim-the-central-nuclear-a-30-year-t5027.html

These days EDF refuses to initiate the closure of the plant because it is true, the compensation offered by the government is quite ridiculous (€ 100M is the benefit of a few weeks of operation of the plant ...). See this article from the World: http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... _3234.html

For EDF leaders, not legally initiate the closure of Fessenheim without having agreed in advance with the State on the compensation the company will receive. Now, on this ground, no agreement is in sight. Where EDF hoped to receive at least 2 3 billion billion, Ms. Royal has proposed in early May, to pay between 80 and 100 million million "only". An amount considered paltry, even insulting, to the headquarters of the electrician. Without compromise on the issue, EDF therefore resistance. The formal submission of the closure request is not envisaged before December.

Mais..Mais..Mais where is the catch? Because what FRENCH STATE HOLDS 85% of EDF !!

The state is largely majority shareholder!
The state should be able to impose what he wants!
The state can not transfer the content to EDF leaders when he wants!
In short, the state, as widely majority shareholder, would not accountable to EDF EDF ... Because it is the state or the state is EDF (in 85%)

If the state compensates EDF ... in fact it self compensates to 85% ... so it does not cost that ultimately 15% of the money paid to him

Oh yes it remains the concerns of powerful unions EDF (who only think of themselves ...) it's probably with them that negotiations will really play ... below table?

[Did67]

Here you can see a little that all this is much more complicated!

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article ... 23448.html

http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/art ... 55770.html

[Christophe]

Good to see you didi

Uh I see no good relationship with the rate increase ... except that it's even EDF makes his own way and do not always not listen to his widely majority shareholder?

[Did67]

It was to tell you that the situation of "owner" is much more complicated: the State cannot impose a tariff; but suddenly, the costs are less well covered; suddenly, the company can find itself in difficulty (and it is!) ...

You may own your apple tree, but if you saw branches regularly and at all times, the harvest will not be good! We must stop seeing a public company located in the commercial domain as a "printing press"! It doesn't work like that. It is subject to the rules of the economy. The State almost sank more than one of "its" boxes, if they had not been privatized ...

Remove part of the production facilities to a business that is put in difficulty. Force it to close Fessenheim is a cut of 50 roots that feed the tree EdF!

[Christophe]

It is because the EPR currently plumb and it has chosen the 100% nuclear ... but it is far from bankruptcy! EDF can not go bankrupt!

Who sees EDF as printing money to EDF itself ?? That's why they refuse closures ... always pull the rope ...

The EC is 1er EDF owns resorts in France that represent hundreds of millions of real estate just for the holiday of its employees and millions per year in benefits in kind ... The current account made a report above it seems to me there for years ...

In short, EDF money still has it: they just have to part with their privileges (I haven't said everything) and some of their privileged ... the EDF engineers who end their career at 55 with 4000 € of retirement sorry but it is a privilege (except for them: it is "normal") ... it is particularly disgusting in the current France where the rest of the population does not stop impoverishing itself! In short, the mammoth should be degreased as the other said ...


I should state at 85% owner of EDF foutrais I do not like this from the mouths of people in 2 sense: citizens on one side where we promise an illusory nuclear exit and EDF employees another trader a fairly ridiculous financial compensation (€ 100M is a few weeks of income 2 nuclear reactors ... if the actual cost is only 15%, while the state may well pay him 2 billion even )

[chatelot16]

pull the rope that would close the nuclear power plant, and turn the remaining was excessive ... I prefer that we keep all power plants operating state and security and let them be turning less and less. .. that overcapacity allows to stop them at the slightest problem ... it's like when you have old car ... the one that a new car can not have that ... when you have old car it is better to have 2 to take time to repair in one when using the other

[izentrop]

It is the EC that is rich, not EDF

This committee has two notable features:

It is funded with 1% of turnover and not 1% of payroll, as is usually the case for the works council

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caisse_ce ... s_sociales

[Christophe]

That's what I said (or rather heard under) above izentrop

The EC is 1er EDF owns resorts in France

[Did67]

Speaking of which:

"The electricity giant [Edf, therefore] announced stop Monday 13 June of reactor No. 2 of the Fessenheim (Haut-Rhin) expected to close in the next few years.

Its steam generator, an essential part of the nuclear island with the vessel, is in fact part of the 80 anomalies files concerning the French fleet, communicated to the Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN). "

.... / ....

The stop for several weeks, part of the Alsace center is the latest in a series that will find its epilogue once ASN gendarme of the industry, will open the question: are the parts made Creusot Forge safe or not? Pierre-Franck Chevet, head of ASN considers that the irregularities discovered Creusot fall "clearly unacceptable industry practices."


... / ...

EDF claims that the irregularities on the 79 80 cases "do not have safety consequences" of 21 reactors (out of 58) involved in anomalies and distributed 12 19 of plants of the Hexagon: The Blayais , Bugey, Cattenom, Chinon, Civaux, Dampierre, Fessenheim, Golfech, Gravelines, Paluel, Saint-Laurent-des-Eaux and Tricastin. On the other hand, it is proven that the tank of the EPR Flamanville has "serious defects", according to the ASN. She says the first half 2017 if they can be corrected or whether to build a new vessel. It is the only element with the concrete enclosure, we can not change during the operating life of the plant.



Learn more about http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... crGGIG2.99

[Obamot]

Like all vessels of all nuclear reactors in the world after several years of service?
It's a fact of public notoriety that there was never any steel able to withstand the stresses exerted on the atomic level, for nuclear. So these questions of alleged safety of power plants, is only a huge hoax. There is not a single case in the world where when melting of a reactor, the reaction would have remained confined within the chamber, without causing leakage.

All this is pure fable.
A central runaway again, can not be stopped more than others and this will be another Chernobyl or Fukushima.