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Drones, nuclear power plants and security




by Flytox » 16/11/14, 19:19

Security ; drones; total blackout ......

http://rmc.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/ ... 44268.html


They talk about the Achilles heel of the nuke, how many Achilles heels are there in a single nuclear power plant ???????????? :frown: :? :x :| :?:

Edit: divided from this topic: https://www.econologie.com/forums/fukushima- ... 11577.html
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by Leo Maximus » 17/11/14, 09:32

Flytox wrote:Security ; drones; total blackout ......

Absurd what BFM says. Drones would spot nuclear power plant transformers because their location is blurred on Google Maps. : Shock: : Cheesy:

Anyone can go to Google Maps and see that the plants are not blurred.

Photo of the Blayais where we can perfectly see the transformers (at the top of the image):

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by sen-no-sen » 17/11/14, 10:42

Leo Maximus wrote:
Flytox wrote:Security ; drones; total blackout ......

Absurd what BFM says. Drones would spot nuclear power plant transformers because their location is blurred on Google Maps. : Shock: : Cheesy:

Anyone can go to Google Maps and see that the plants are not blurred.



Exact, it is on IGN (French site) that the images are blurred.
This story of drones piloted by possible terrorists is hardly convincing, especially when you know that hundreds of temporary workers work on sites.
Why get tired of sending drones when you can legally approach the most secure parts of a power plant and being paid extra?

This story of drones aims to allow public acceptance with regard to the use of countermeasures, this being made up of anti-drone drones derived from the military sector and used during "events" that could justify them ... while waiting for their full acceptance from the populations, in the same way as with video surveillance ... We are starting to know the song!
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by Leo Maximus » 17/11/14, 20:13

Exactly,

The gendarmerie bought more than 100 million euros in drones.

As soon as we started to say that the drones flying over the nuclear power plants at night were those of the gendarmerie, the overflights stopped. As if by chance ...

The gendarmerie has a magazine, and in the September 2013 issue there is an article on the role of drones in the gendarmerie, "The use of drones for public security missions" (green arrow):

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The security of the power stations is ensured by the gendarmerie.
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by moinsdewatt » 17/11/14, 21:07

Leo Maximus wrote:Exactly,

The gendarmerie bought more than 100 million euros in drones.

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No.

it's only a fraction of 108 million that will be used to buy drones.

How police and gendarmes could soon use drones

08 Oct 2014 Le Figaro

The Interior Ministry plans to equip the security forces with drones. If some experiments have already taken place, the legal framework remains entirely to be defined.

Will police and gendarmes soon be able to monitor a demonstration or carry out investigations using drones? It is in any case the wish of the Ministry of the Interior which is seriously considering this possibility. The security forces could use them "as long as they do not infringe on freedoms", said Minister Bernard Cazeneuve on Monday. But what concrete uses could they make of it? How to respect privacy and the use of drones? Elements of answers.

Are police and gendarmes already using drones?

Yes, but this use is still at the experimental stage. This is particularly the case in Saint-Astier in Dordogne, where the Minister of the Interior visited Monday. This national training center for gendarmerie forces has been experimenting with three drones for several months. During this visit, the Minister attended a demonstration, using one of these flying machines as part of a law enforcement operation. These drones, which can fly up to 3000 meters above sea level and which have a flight capacity of up to two hours, can be used during riots or large demonstrations to spot crowd movements and avoid overflows . In this perspective, a life-size test was carried out last month during a league 2 match in Créteil, in preparation for Euro 2016 which will take place in France. But for now, there is no technically operational prototype, said the Interior Ministry.

What possible uses by the security forces?

For police and gendarmes, drones would considerably improve their working conditions. "We could be much more efficient on the ground by having a teleported eye in the air," thinks Christophe Crepin of the Unsa-police. It could be used against organized crime (drug trafficking, for example), in urban violence or even when hostages are taken, "suggests the police officer contacted by Le Figaro. Drones also have the advantage of sneaking into hard-to-reach places. "In the context of investigations, this tool would make it easier for us to investigate sensitive areas," explains Stanislas Goudon of the Alliance police union. "But beware, warns Christophe Crepin, it is not a question of putting a drone behind each citizen. People need to understand that this is just technical support for the ground teams. ”

What security for these drones?

In general, the use of drones is not without risk. Poorly controlled, the flying device can interfere with other types of flying devices (ULM, helicopters, planes in the take-off or landing phase). If it flies over a populated area, the remote-controlled device can potentially fall on the crowd. This is why the Minister of the Interior insists that these drones be used "in a technologically controlled framework". "We have to have all the regulatory guarantees," he added. For the moment, the regulation of drones remains very thin and only concerns civil vehicles. Only two orders (very complex) dating from April 2012 frame the design, use of these devices and airspace, to guarantee public safety. A specific regulation for public security drones is therefore to be invented.

How to reconcile private life and police drones?

As soon as it is equipped with a camera, a mobile camera, a sound sensor or even a geolocation device, a drone can potentially invade privacy, by capturing and disseminating data personal. "But currently, there are no specific regulations concerning drones (including civilians) and privacy, explains to Figaro Me Betty Sfez, specializing in new technologies law. It is necessary to refer to article 9 of the Civil Code to guarantee the right to the image and to the freedom and data-processing law for the collection of the personal data ”, specifies the lawyer.

Should we go further, especially when it comes to "police drones"? "The legislator will surely have to refine the existing regulatory framework", thinks Me Sfez. "This regulation could be inspired by the videoprotection regime," assumes for his part Édouard Geffray, secretary general of the Cnil, who has been working on these issues since 2012. This regulation, which requires that the public be informed and prohibited from filming the interior of dwellings, may however be insufficient. "In the case of mobile drones, it will probably be necessary to inform the person filmed," notes the head of the CNIL. “But how?” He asks. Everything has to be done.

How much will that cost?

Over the next three years, some 108 million will be invested in the modernization of the equipment of the police and the gendarmerie, without specifying the part devoted to drones. "The budget allocated to drones should not overlap with that of field units," warns Stanislas Goudon. A fear shared by Christophe Crepin of Unsa-police, who recalls that drones can never replace the work of a police officer on the ground.


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by sen-no-sen » 17/11/14, 22:14

The text you linked Moinsdewatt is very evocative of techno-scientist logic, I quote:


"For police officers and gendarmes, drones would considerably improve their working conditions." We could be much more efficient on the ground by having an eye teleported in the air, thinks Christophe Crepin of Unsa-police. "

Pure mystification, peddled by one more unionist!
Drones, like video surveillance, do not aim to improve the work of the police,but to replace them.
It is not a question of questioning the contribution that such technologies could bring, but of considering which ones are part of a logic which aims to minimize human use while still less solving fundamental problems .
Many cities are equipped with very expensive video surveillance devices even though the field staff are reduced to frenzy!

When "President" Sarkozy was in power, the latter had actively worked on setting up the vast network of CCTV cameras ... while making drastic cuts in the workforce.
It will be the same with drones, it's just a matter of time, and if you think it's science fiction delirium:
Like the concept of a versatile robot in the French army, the US Army wants to replace its soldiers gradually with robots. At an official conference, quite surprising figures were revealed…

At the Army Aviation Symposium held last week in Arlington, Virginia, an American army officer announced that the US Army will downsize by incorporating more robots into its ranks . This announcement is not surprising, given the progress in military robotics, however, it was the extent of the restructuring that surprised the audience.

General Robert Cone dropped a small bomb at the conference: the army, he said, is studying the possibility of passing in the coming years from brigades made up of about 4.000 men to 3.000, and replacing the soldiers by robots and unmanned platforms. Here's how General Rone presented it:

http://www.humanoides.fr/2014/01/22/larmee-americaine-veut-remplacer-ses-soldats-par-des-robots/
http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/2012/02/21/01007-20120221ARTFIG00382-des-robots-pour-remplacer-les-soldats-americains-au-sol.php
: Arrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I0xGikpMZQ#t=28

I also think that the "case" Rémi Fraisse risks being recovered in order to facilitate the use of new technologies of this type ...

It should not be that the budget allocated to drones encroaches on that of field units, ”warns Stanislas Goudon. A fear shared by Christophe Crepin of Unsa-police, who recalls that drones can never replace the work of a police officer on the ground.

Too late! :x
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by Leo Maximus » 18/11/14, 11:51

moinsdewatt wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:Exactly,
The gendarmerie bought more than 100 million euros in drones.
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No.
it's only a fraction of 108 million that will be used to buy drones.

How police and gendarmes could soon use drones
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france ... gination=4

Bah ... Of course ...

We can fully trust the gendarmerie and the Ministry of the Interior (and Le Figaro!).

Besides, the huts fire in Corsica was not caused by the gendarmes, as we know ... : Cheesy: : Lol:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_paillotes . A blow completely mounted by the gendarmes and the prefect.
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by Leo Maximus » 18/11/14, 12:34

sen-no-sen wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:
Flytox wrote:Security ; drones; total blackout ......

Absurd what BFM says. Drones would spot nuclear power plant transformers because their location is blurred on Google Maps. : Shock: : Cheesy:
Anyone can go to Google Maps and see that the plants are not blurred.


Exact, it is on IGN (French site) that the images are blurred.

Everyone knows that the sites which are blurred on IGN are the "sensitive" sites. This allows you to locate them and then go see them in detail on Google Maps because they are not blurred! And it has been like this for 10 years. : Lol:

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by Arnaud M » 28/11/14, 20:22

The commercial drones are 10 minutes of autonomy and 500 m radius of action.
We don't have direct testimony from EDF employees, but here we have a slightly more precise description of what is observed:
http://www.canal32.fr/thematiques/socie ... -sait.html

Basically stationary lights for one hour, machines over 2m in diameter. At Golfech, the gendarmes' helicopter followed the machine for 9 km before it disappeared.

32 overflights in a month and a half, while at Golfech always the helicopters of Pau intervened in 25 minutes for 2 overflights, without effect.
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