Managing the shortage: Discolored heating oil in an HDi car?

[pieroxy]

Hello,

I wonder if I can get my domestic fuel in my big Scénic HDi ... Obviously, I know it's forbidden, but since there is no more diesel around my house and I I have 3500 liters on hand, I think it would be stupid to stop moving if the need would be felt.

My question is: Is it the same fuel, and if not, what is the risk for my tuture?

Edit: answer here on one method here, other methods by reading this thread completely: nuclear-fossil fuels/managing-the-shortage-of-domestic-fuel-oil-discolored-in-a-car-hdi-t10066-70.html#p495002

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[chatelot16]

no risk for mechanics: I know who have done so for a long time

the risk is customs officers: when they find red in a tank they charge the tax that you will have saved if you drove red since you own the car ... difficult to explain to them that this is not that since the shortage

the controls are very rare, I have never seen, but it is the severity of the customs that scares

a few dozen years ago the domestic fuel contained much more sulfur than diesel: today it is quite correct

[Christophe]

no risk for mechanics: I know who have done so for a long time

False, there is a mechanical risk on HDi and equivalent: some (all?) Injectors or HP pump or injector pumps do not like red fuel oil ... and pots fear sulfur ... because there are still some even if there is less than before ...

We are even talking about problems with road diesel fuels in Eastern European countries of lower quality of refining ...

[pieroxy]

It helps me well ;-)

[Christophe]

Ben sorry for this contradiction: a modern diesel is much more sensitive to fuel quality than a good old 90 diesel ... for example; many builders advocate not to use diester, very close to diesel road.

Now you can always try to do it, but at your own risk and peril (for customs risk I do not even mention it).

[Obamot]

... yes but if we add 5 to 10% premium gasoline (or even acetone) it should give a more explosive mixture and solve part of this problem, right? And fuel oil with a low concentration of sulfur also exists. The new boiler burners are much more efficient, but they must also have fuel to match, I'm not a specialist, but today's "normal" fuel oil is probably not the one we had in the years. "90 either ... Otherwise high-tech boilers would clog up very quickly, right?

[chatelot16]

yes I thought without risk for the mechanics ... but there is the chemistry of the catalytic converter

we should find a way to measure the content of fuel oil: because the sulfur content is often low enough ... but it is not on following the origin of the fuel ...

another solution without any risk for the catalytic: sunflower or rapeseed oil: I had run my R25 at 100% with a day of dry diesel fuel

I would not advise to put 100% in a car too modern, but if add a little in the diesel that remains little avoid the breakdown dry

[Did67]

I would be a little bit of Christophe's opinion.

I know from a reliable source (close to manufacturers) that some tractor manufacturers have had problems when they switched to direct injection / Euro 4 standard (I think that's the one) with the fact that farmers French use zero-rated fuel (thus fuel). The engines are designed for diesel ...

Now, it does not slap the first kilometer!

Moreover, pay attention to cleanliness! The filtration level is not at all the same.

You have to bring out the good old turbo-diesel! There, no problem.

[Christophe]

Petit Hors Subject but not too much: you knew that for some time, pleasure boats (including tourist pro) were no longer allowed to take red?

Marine diesel pumps now distribute road diesel ... at the price of the road, of course!

The only exception is fishing, which still has the right to turn red.

For other pros there are surely tax deductions a posteriori ...

[Remundo]

you would have a good old diesel "low pressure", I would say to you go there no problem.

On the other hand, it is known that the PSA HDi are sensitive when the diesel is not "pure", of "road" quality.

I agree with Christophe, nuancing perhaps.

There had been pbs with traces of water that cavitated to relaxation. But any solid debris can be a serious problem because the injectors are fine. The engine chokes just stupid absence or excessive lack of diesel.

I do not believe that the dye is very troublesome to the high-pressure pump or the injectors, but the red fuels are less controlled in their waste (the deposit) than the road fuels that must be nickel with all these engines with high pressure injection. Red fuels are traditionally intended for agricultural tractors, construction machinery ... fat beef diesel.

I confirm that some recent tractors (which inherited the "HDi" or equivalent techno) made jokes to the farmers who continued to piss them off with coarse fuel.

What I would advise you is to cut your fuel red with truck and filter well. it should help you out for a while.

As for customs officers, they only have to close their flappers. There's more diesel and you have to ride for some, that's all. So temporarily, if I were the government, I would say to the customs officers to give peace to the drivers who have red or even pink diesel in their car ...

Regarding corrosion, I do not think that a short use of red fuel is very harmful. It is true that formerly, they were little désoufrés ...

PS: there is a special red fuel, "BP Superfuel" which is known to be better filtered than standard red fuel.