Opel CORSA 1.5D

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Opel CORSA 1.5D




by TDRA2004 » 15/05/07, 22:24

Hello "pantonists"
I introduce myself, Didier, I live near Valenciennes, I am passionate about car mechanics and good handyman.
It's been a little over a year that I'm interested in the Pantone process, which I discovered on the QUANT'HOME website.
I decided to take action and I chose the Corsa as the first victim : Evil:

This is an 91 vehicle that I bought used, I do not know
not its exact mileage (5 digit counter).
Since I changed the clutch and the alternator, I think it must have 230000 or 330000Kms.
: Shock:

The technical choices:
Given the place remaining under the hood, the bubbler was automatically excluded. I prefer the solution of the GV (Thank you CAMEL1).

My first version (I'm in the third) was of the compact type, it had a strong resemblance to the project of CRYSPUS (AX D) with some nuances nevertheless.

The one-piece all-copper assembly except the rod (12 threaded rod), included the reactor followed by a mini annular SGS.

In this version the fresh air that you all used for the steam / air mixture was replaced by a part of the exhaust gas.

This version never worked because of the Automatic Central Heat Drain, in fact more because of the vent hole that I had not drilled.

I dismounted everything and started again on the basis of what works.
However, I kept the principle of the threaded rod.

The more conventional 2 version did not convince me, the GV was placed in the reactor, which generated more hot water than steam, due to the length of the pipe.

So here is the 3 running for almost 2 months

The reactor:
12 threaded rod of total length 230mm, long useful 200mm
14 * 1 Steel Tube
12 * 1 copper inlet / outlet tips soldered to the reactor tube.

The GV:
Ring type 140 mm long consisting of 16 / 18 tube and 20 / 22
the exit is in 10 / 12 the entered in fall of pipe of brake.

The "pierced" trap is fixed on the BV

The "washer fluid" reservoir stuck between the air hose and the brake master cylinder.

As soon as I can send photos

Didier
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by camel1 » 15/05/07, 23:24

Hi Didier (another one : Cheesy: !)

As soon as I can send photos


Oh yes oh yes ! :D

And some measurements of steam, consos, pollution ... : Cheesy:

We are waiting impatiently!

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by TDRA2004 » 16/05/07, 12:21

For the measurements, I only did conso tests for now.
I do not have a probe to measure the temperature.
What are you using, PT type probes? :frown:
The initial conso was about 6 l / 100Kms.
The courses are diverse, but with a preponderance of city.
My first results were:
5.2 l / 100Kms
4.66 l / 100Kms
4.8 l / 100Kms

This weekend I made a trip on the 400Kms coast back and forth on expressway and highway to 120 from average to 5 in the car.
I refilled at 501Kms, I filled 26.35l is an average conso 5.26 l / 100Kms : Lol:
If I extrapolate the usual 100kms of course is 4.8l.
The result is a consumption for the "Fast" route of 5.38 l / 100Kms : Shock:

Voila for the conso.

For pollution the only observation is the non-persistence of black smoke under full load. This weekend she swallowed ribs 6 and 8% in 4 full load without retapisser the landscape :D
At startup the smoke is rather gray but not abundant.

Driving impressions.
I do not have to press hard on the mushroom for it to answer.
The car accelerates gradually without pressing further, it is besides the absence of this phenomenon which indicates me a malfunction of the system (water leakage for example)
: Idea:
She lost in the engine brake.
The engine was silent during the motorway route.
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by the joint » 16/05/07, 13:42

Bravo, it is already a great success to operate a vehicle pantone. The results of conso are already more than encouraging! especially load like mules. Good luck and keep it up
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by TDRA2004 » 18/05/07, 22:59

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by zac » 18/05/07, 23:09

Hello

super boss job, but provides 2 serflex and a high temperature hose in the glove box because your tube output copper reactor will be creep vibration and fart without warning (1500km severe use 4000km in use cool).

that said it's nice to see that we are not only three or four to make a pantone that works on this forum, welcome to the club : Lol:

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by TDRA2004 » 28/05/07, 21:59

The glove box is too small : Lol:

In case of breakage it is not dramatic, the car continues to work as before. 8)

My last cons is 5.07 l / 100Kms.
The water consumption is about 0.3 l / 100Kms.

I am considering a montage at 2 reactors or more. :frown:

Has anyone already tested ???
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by zac » 28/05/07, 22:43

TDRA2004 wrote:
I am considering a montage at 2 reactors or more. :frown:

Has anyone already tested ???


Hello

yes I tested, on a mill of 1.5l and 65cv it has no interest.

you'll gain nothing but complexity and you're very likely not to have enough calories to hook the reactors.

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by camel1 » 29/05/07, 00:17

Hi Didier!

I would say like Zac, put a single tube reactor.
On my 205, 1,9 engine l and 4 reactors,
on the Mercedes Didier, engine 2,4 l and 1 reactor.

For now, the best perfs are on the side of the market. : Mrgreen:

This does not disqualify the multi-actor in my eyes, I think the problem lies in the sizing that allows to load, depending on the vacuum available to the intake nozzle.

There are a lot of multi-tractor achievements on tractors (big mills) with sometimes surprising results (although to take with tweezers ...)

On our cars, especially for small engines, this complication is, at first, not necessary ...

Otherwise, I looked at your photos, and I saw that in your first assembly, you put a threaded rod like core of the reactor ...

Do you do the same on your last version?

I raise this question, because I think there, you are wrong, others (I do not know who, André I think ...?) Have already done this manipulation, which has not proved very conclusive. ..

The best for the reactor, it is an annular space as smooth as possible, which offers the least brake to the laminar flow ... it is at least the hypothesis on which we base our work ...

Now, if you do a setup where you can "easily" change the kernel, why not do some comparative tests, maybe you will get good results ..?

To follow, in any case, your first consos seem to bend in the right direction, but what were you before pantone?

I think 0,3 l / h for water, it's a bit weak, it would really require you to plant a K probe in your steam hose, it would give you a really useful info!

FYI, I bought two electronic thermometers double entry, resolution 1 ° C, delivered with probes K for 40 € piece! :D It's at Selectronic (Google is your friend : Cheesy: )

It's really an indispensable tool to know where you are going (the thermometer, not Google : Cheesy: ! )

Good continuation and see you soon !

Michel
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by Other » 29/05/07, 04:13

Hello

For the stem it is preferable a smooth stem the rounded front but the sotie cut square.
to make the stems of restraint to keep it centered is preferable to the point of welding.
the stem can be iron steel, stainless steel, if you use the car regularly rust is not a problem
a rod that worked well becomes pitted in its hot part

for the reactor a single reactor is simpler to achieve and more certain to have maximum heat, if the exhaust duct is oversized do a small envelope to channel the exhaust gases on the reactor, especially if you are turbo ..
this supports a small restriction bit of top speed loss ..
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