Pantone mounting on Express F8Q D710

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Pantone mounting on Express F8Q D710




by RolCopter » 06/05/07, 15:55

Bonjour à tous
Presentation of the "thing".
The reactor hidden in the exhaust
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... ment10.jpg

The bubbler
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... nLong1.jpg

Some observations after connection of the bubbler / reactor kit.
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... ment3T.jpg

Connection of the reactor outlet to the degassing nozzle (engine block) in the middle of the manifold: no pressure at idle and rise to about 50 millibar = pressure damage instead of a desired vacuum.
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... ment2T.jpg

Connecting a portion of the degassing (motor unit) for bubbling = OK
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... ment3T.jpg

In the course of these tests the engine swallowed drops of water because the first test all the degassing passed into the bubbler; the exhaust fumes have cleared but I did not insist too much for fear of cleaning the engine thoroughly.
Next step ; create a sufficient depression.
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by I Citro » 06/05/07, 23:01

8) Very nice job, quickly the figures ...
I have a very talented friend of the torch who has an express ... :P
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by Other » 07/05/07, 04:56

Hello
Connection of the reactor outlet to the degassing nozzle (engine block) in the middle of the manifold: no pressure at idle and rise to about 50 millibar = pressure damage instead of a desired vacuum.


For the pressure to rise in the intake manifold the engine is turbo? or the quilting is misdirected, normally an atmospheric engine with the pressure drop of the air filter that depressurizes with the regime.
what comes from the reactor must go in front of the turbo

Either you make a reduction on the admission or that you put a venturi it is necessary a device to pump in the reactor without making too much of loss of charge.

Why are you sending the breather outlet into the bubbler?
the oil vapor will make a mud with water
the breather with a sytéme injection like MMM or with a carburettor with water or a GV like Michel would be preferable, that on a bubbler.
Start by breathing only air, you can always experiment with the breather later, when you have developed the sytéme, you can make the comparison ambient air or breather ..

In terms of using the breather there are several precautions to take if you do not want to have a problem on the engine seals or downstream all the oil sump

The reactor is well built and well located on the exhaust ..

The bubbler I did not understand the internal provisions, but it seems small in volume at least the vertical part above the water level must be safe enough not that a vigorous broth pushes a cup of water in the reactor and engine.



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by RolCopter » 07/05/07, 22:00

Bonjour à tous

from André
For the pressure to rise in the intake manifold the engine is turbo? or the quilting is misdirected, normally an atmospheric engine with the pressure drop of the air filter that depressurizes with the regime.


No turbo but the report is there and you are not the first surprised, me too and others still want I find it on the net.

http://w10.frontsrv.com/forum/mes_Topic_3191128_1.html

"More"
"I unplugged the oil vapor re-suction elbow that is on top of the intake manifold and instead of sucking it is blowing air!?!? !!! ??? Into the other part, the rubber hose, there is a little hiss but nothing exceptional. "


I intend to put a venturi but I have only a straight part of 50 mm for a hose diameter of 55 mm between the air filter and the collector.
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by Other » 07/05/07, 23:23

Hello
I intend to put a venturi but I have only a straight part of 50 mm for a hose diameter of 55 mm between the air filter and the collector


It will be necessary for you to make a smaller venturi if you want to have enough sucking on 100kmh

On the 300TD engine 3 liter the hole in the air filter is 60mm in diameter and I restrict it with a hole of 35mm.
I intend to have a smaller venturi to have a suction that exceeds a water ecolone 1,2 meter 3000 rpm c, es tma vitese cruises.

To put it simply starts with a simple reduction on admission and verifies your needs as well as the maximum speed loss
a sucion of 0,7 meter of water and satisafaisante for the march of a reactor, but one always wants more ...

firstly, it will help you to work the doping then to see if it affects the maximum power that will be added to it, this is your first search, (in my case it has 125hp for a turbo 3 liters this is not a bomb, rather a tractor)


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a ridiculous venturi




by RolCopter » 11/05/07, 23:20

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This week I made a venturi method boilermaker. It was a lease that I had not exploited my first job.

https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/partager/Venturi1.jpg

I remind you that I have only a straight part of 50 mm for a diameter of 55 mm of hose.
Having taken a tube with a diameter of 44mm inside it makes me a ridiculous venturi that does not work.

https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/partager/Venturi2.jpg

Next week I will try in a smaller diameter.
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by zac » 13/05/07, 18:45

Hello

if it is soft put a serflex and tighten up to 35mm. then put your arrival at 3cm downstream.

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reduce to 35mm in diameter to create a good depression




by RolCopter » 14/05/07, 15:21

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hi zac
if it is soft put a serflex and tighten up to 35mm. then put your arrival at 3cm downstream.


The hose is molded rubber ribbed, two elbows 90 °, very difficult to deform, against everyone agrees to reduce 35mm diameter to create a good vacuum on 2 diesel engines liters to 2,5 liters.
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by I Citro » 14/05/07, 23:00

:? This issue of managing depression is a recurring problem ...

We should find a way to regulate it.
To summarize; One to 2 intake circuits:
- The main one, that of the origin of the rather free vehicle upstream of the throttle valve or the air intake of a diesel.
- The pantone circuit or water doping, preferably with its own air filter. It has a very small FIXED diameter.

The problem: At low revs the volume of air sucked by the engine is insufficient to create a suitable depression, at high speed if the depression is too strong, it causes losses that reduce the yield.

Will it not be possible to adapt a modified plateau meter (harder return spring) to maintain a sufficient depression over a wide range of regime? :?:
I think I remember seeing these devices on the first injection vehicles equipped with mechanical injection (golf gti series I, escort XR3i, Saab 900 before 1994).
I am not very sure for the models of vehicles and especially on the validity of my idea ...
:?
What do you think?
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by Other » 14/05/07, 23:36

Hello
Will it not be possible to adapt a modified plateau meter (harder return spring) to maintain a sufficient depression over a wide range of regime?
I think I remember seeing these devices on the first injection vehicles equipped with mechanical injection (golf gti series I, escort XR3i, Saab 900 before 1994).
I am not very sure for the models of vehicles and especially on the validity of my idea ...

Yes, it is the first pallet dispenser, after which it has become the most popular hot wire.

With regard to depression, a well calculated venturi makes the adffaire

At low speed and low power we do not need to draw water in the reactor or the reactor, the intermediate regime that we need to have the best performance of the reactor and venturi its restriction is negligible to this diet
it is at full speed that the venturi pulls a little too much and its discharge is slightly light, just control the flow of water vapor admitted at this time that's all

You have to know what you are looking for, an economical engine and a running reactor or a powerful engine?

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