Water injection moped 2t

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Water injection moped 2t




by ecototo » 16/09/06, 22:47

hello, I have a 2t moped which consumes a lot for the small displacement it is and I would like to know if I could insert water vapor just before the intake pipe of the engine? (system G)

Otherwise if it is not possible, put a fitting WITH on the air intake (or squarely on the intake pipe?)

Thank you in advance
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by Former Oceano » 18/09/06, 23:22

The problem with the 2T is that the admitted gases are first compressed in the crankcase before going back up through conduits opening out through lights in the cylinder.

The water in there will oxidize, will make mayonnaise with the oil mixed with the fuel ... In short not good.

Regarding the turbulator, for profit because the turbulence will be lost in the crankcase during compression ...

In short, the 2T is an engine that cannot be easily pantonized.
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by Other » 19/09/06, 04:45

Hello
For a two stroke the complexity is that these engines in general have an exhaust and an admission granted to enter pulsation which favors the emptying of the cylinder at the end of the relaxation and also the filling upon admission, this is why that it performs better at certain speeds, so the panton modifications in the exhaust are more complex to calculate besides that often small ordinary engines the lubricating oil is conveyed with the fuel (to avoid passing through the pantone)
For the reasons of piping tuned the turbulator will loosen the flow in the conduits, I do not say taxable but quite complex to calculate a vortex agreement, it is already difficult linear, it is often necessary (tater) in extension or in softening conduits (it is a specialty of snowmobile racers).

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by ecototo » 19/09/06, 20:01

thank you very much ex-océano and Andre for these explanations.
I understand why it is difficult to improve the performance of this engine. :D
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by Philippe Schutt » 20/09/06, 01:29

oh, depending on the engine you have, you can greatly improve it. The pots and diagrams are generally not optimized and when they are, are they for the way you ride?
simply, it is not with a pantone or a turbulator, but with "classical" techniques
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by Woodcutter » 20/09/06, 11:16

Philippe Schutt wrote:oh, depending on the engine you have, you can greatly improve it. The pots and diagrams are generally not optimized and when they are, are they for the way you ride?
simply, it is not with a pantone or a turbulator, but with "classical" techniques
The "improvements" that can be made to a 2T cyclo do not really go in an ecological sense ... :?
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by Philippe Schutt » 20/09/06, 11:42

it depends...

adding valves to the intake can save flexibility and allow you to drive in the upper gear, for example, same for a variable advance ignition ...

increasing compression slightly also consumes less when driving the same.
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by Philippe Schutt » 20/09/06, 11:44

Obviously, this is not the usual goal : Wink:
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by Woodcutter » 20/09/06, 12:13

Philippe Schutt wrote:it depends...

adding valves to the intake can save flexibility and allow you to drive in the upper gear, for example, same for a variable advance ignition ...
It would surprise me that a recent cyclo does not already have flaps! : Shock:
For ignition, I do not know, I have no more moped for over 20 years ...: Mrgreen:

In addition, you were previously talking about pots and diagrams and that, unless you redo a cylinder, all the "tinkering" that can be done increase performance (at high speeds) but certainly not consumption or noise level. .
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by GREGNENE » 20/09/06, 12:36

Is it possible to run a 2-stroke methane ??? :?:
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