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Here's how to equip yourself ... without breaking the bank!

by Econergy » 30/05/08, 10:06

Hello,

At a time when the price of oil is soaring, many users of fuel oil or propane gas boilers in particular are looking for an alternative energy solution.

This high demand necessarily leads, opposite, to the birth of an offer that does not always include the necessary skills.

Many professionals improvising in a few days or weeks, specialists in renewable energy. This while mastering this new profession requires knowledge of four different professions:

- THERMICIAN
- HEATER
- ELECTRICIAN
- REFRIGERATOR


Each of these trades requires long years of training and experience to have perfect mastery.

What are we seeing already today; many users disappointed and unhappy with their investments made for the purchase of a heat pump.

Why? The answer is almost always the same: Poor thermal design following serious non-existent calculations. Choice of products unsuitable for the project, lack of technical knowledge, exorbitant prices ..Ect ....

To avoid these unpleasant surprises, I suggest you take advantage of my 25 years of experience in a design office specializing in renewable energies.

My journey:

- Heating apprenticeship (3 years)
-Heater in business (3 years in France)
-Heater in business (5 years Switzerland)
-Training in thermal engineering office (2 years Switzerland)
-Thermician design office (3 years Switzerland)
-Study and application of electrical diagrams (2 years in France)
-Study and application of cold (3 years)
- Responsible for heat pump manufacturing technical service (3 years)
-Technical director of renewable energy company (To date)

As you can see, I have an idea on the matter.

Also, I decided to put my skills at your disposal to help those who wish to find the best answer relating to their energy replacement project.

At the same time, I got closer to different manufacturers that I selected for the quality and seriousness of their products to offer them to you direct from the factory at competitive prices.

These products are mainly intended for self-construction, therefore for users carrying out the installation themselves. In this case, you do not benefit from the tax credit, but still make significant savings compared to a conventional solution.

For this I created a brokerage company in distribution of European status (Ltd). Here's how it works:

You order products from Econergie
I ship your order to the manufacturer or importer
The latter delivers and invoices you for all of the products

Here it is all said, you will find on the site:

code: Select all

http://xxx.biens.officelive.com

all the info to select and order your products.

I remain at your disposal,

Sincerely,

Daniel
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by Christophe » 30/05/08, 10:13

It is at the limit of spam but I leave it because the introduction seems relevant to me.

By cons heat pumps we consider that it is a ecological scam organized by Edf. The overall CO2 balance of a heat pump can be WORSE than that of an oil boiler (especially in Germany).

Your opinion would be interesting on this subject: https://www.econologie.com/pompes-a-chal ... -3534.html

Subsidiary question: how to eliminate the noise of falling water from a drainback solar system (it is not a trap but a very real problem that I currently have).
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by Remundo » 30/05/08, 10:26

Hi Christophe, Hello Mr. heating engineer!

To eliminate a gurgling noise, let the fluid flow on a flat and smooth sheet (or a plastic plate), the plate plunging into the lower fluid bath.

The plate licking the high water outlet almost in the axis of the pipe.

But I don't know if this applies to your "drainback" system

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by Christophe » 30/05/08, 10:27

It's a little more complicated than that Remundo and therefore lets answer the MONSIEUR with great experience ...
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CO2 heat pump scam

by Econergy » 30/05/08, 11:14

Hello Christopher,

Thank you for not having made a direct link between real Spam and my intervention. It is obvious that I do not work for nothing, like everyone else. But most of the revenue is reserved for users.

To come back to your question on the production of CO2 relating to heat pumps. I think you are referring to the fossil energy released for the production of components, transport, etc.

Does this mean, no CO2 for the manufacture and transport of boilers? Assuming that the production of a heat pump produces the same amount of CO2 as a boiler, the fact remains that a fuel boiler emits on average 500 grams of CO2 per Kw / h consumed, while a heat pump rejects only 60 grams, taking into account the share of fossil fuel thermal electricity production.

Conclusion; if we were fully equipped with heat pumps on the national territory, we would divide the global emissions of heating CO2 by minimum 5. I'll let you calculate the equivalent number of tonnes ... huge.

So I wonder how to justify this pseudo scam.

Sincerely,

Daniel
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by Christophe » 30/05/08, 11:29

No I thought about energy production and I do not agree at all on your figures (amazing for 25 years of experience)

For fuel oil:
1L = 0.82 kg of fuel = 2.13 kg of CO2 released = 9kWH useful (modern boiler, 90% efficiency) or 236 grams of CO2 per kWh useful. Half the figure you put forward :?

For heat pumps:
France, thanks to nuclear power, has one of the best kWh in terms of CO2. It is 90 g / kWh. With a COPA (not COP, could you explain the difference to us?) of 2,5 we would therefore obtain 36 g / kWH.

So on CO2 in France it is "profitable" to have a heat pump ... but in grams of uranium what does that give?


In Germany it is 600 g / kWh so kif kif with fuel oil with a COPA of 2,5 ... in the USA a heat pump powered by electricity from the network is worse than fuel oil

You recommend a France equipped with 100% heat pump, the beautiful mistake ... in this case it would be necessary to build a few additional nuclear power plants ...However, the argument for CO2 from nuclear professionals (the only one at the environmental level) is not admissible because overall in raw energy nuclear represents only a small% ...

In short, thermal solar is much better overall (like what is the COPA of the solar systems that you sell?) But it makes installers make less profit (much more work) and reseller (80% of heat pumps on the market are currently Asian). By the way do you always receive Edf bonuses for each PAC installed? It was the case with convectors 20 years ago..You must have known right?
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by tigrou_838 » 30/05/08, 11:34

hello, just a little note for Mr. ECONERGY,

and how much you’re going to multiply nuclear power plants to power it all.


sorry oops I just saw that christophe has already answered

tigrou : Mrgreen:
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by bobono » 30/05/08, 11:35

CO2 balance for fuel oil boiler heat pump.

If the electricity is nuclear, wind turbine hydro Ok for the heat pump. On the other hand, if the production comes from a conventional coal-fired oil gas plant + the transport losses toe.

I remind you that the best heating is still good insulation.

By cons you know this system. efficiency equal to a heat pump but simpler to use and less expensive.

HEC HOT WATER BY VIBRATION

This system allows not only to heat with the gentle heat of the water but also to consume less by making completely obsolete the use of electric heaters or any operation of gas, oil or wood boiler.
HET is designed to adapt to all types of water radiators, new or old. It is easily connected to each water radiator in the house and makes it work in complete autonomy. It will easily find its place, in new or old construction, in apartment, house, condominium building (exit excessive heating costs) ...
Extremely low electricity consumption.
Heating this water at the start requires an electrical contribution. But the secret of HET is that consumption is then very low, unlike the so-called "classic" systems, which wait for the water to cool before reheating. The HET system connects individually to each radiator
of the house. When the hot water arrives, it “works” in a closed circuit, without going to the next radiator. No more heat loss in the pipes…
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CO2 emission

by Econergy » 30/05/08, 12:18

Hello everybody

Christophe, just a question; How many copies of recent fuel oil boilers with an overall yield of 90% equip the current national park?

I will answer this question, barely 15%

among these recent boilers, how many are they (Really) obtaining a 90% efficiency?

Answer: Barely 40%

Conclusion, in reality 90% of the national boiler park does not have a yield that exceeds 70/75%. This can be verified at the scientific and technical energy center at FEYSIN 69, where the boilers are tested on a test bench.

I personally attended these tests many times,
the actual results are totally offset from the yields announced on the manufacturers' sales documents.

It is actually field experience that allows these objective comparisons of the gentleman with experience (I quote)

My words are not drawn from the simple reading of a book ...

Just a little clarification about the fuel boiler performance. When a nozzle is replaced on a burner (1 faith per year) the latter has both an extremely precise diameter and spray angle. This is also linked to the deflector which ensures the swirling atomization of the fuel.

After a few months of operation, the spray angle tends to deviate and catches the deflector, which deflects unburned fuel in the boiler.

This little detail escapes combustion control by distorting it.

All this to say that in the end, the analysis of 500 grams of CO2 released on average by fuel boilers is only a reality on the ground. Surprising for someone with 25 years of experience isn't it?

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by Christophe » 30/05/08, 12:33

I do not think that a sprinkler less than a year lowers the yield by 2 ... if this were the case, everyone would notice an overconsumption of simple to double during a maintenance oversight (rare are people who really service it every year).

I confirm that overall the electric heating, and HEAT PUMP understood, it is a thermodynamic heresy even if the heat pump is less worse ...

I'm not even talking about the life and maintenance costs of a heat pump ... but those who currently install it will find out ... at their expense ... We will laugh :)

bobono wrote:HEC HOT WATER BY VIBRATION


If it's the system by Vorex it's pipo ...
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