Pac swimming pool for heating

[Coconuts]

Hello,
what is the difference between a pac pool and a pac for indoor heating? Why are swimming pools much cheaper?

[Christophe]

Very good question ... not being a specialist in PAC, I do not have the precise answer but (has installed power equal) it may be necessary to look for subsidies ...?

In any case, the principle of 2 pac is the same ... now a pool PAC is can be sized to work much less time? (1000h a year instead of 5000?) So with wear parts of lower quality? Conversely a swimming pool must be made to resist chlorine ... so a priori with more noble materials ...

In short, it says never enough but in all cases, PACs are NOT RENEWABLE ENERGY... unlike those that Edf and the Ademe want us to believe ...

Examples: any solar system has a COP higher than 50 (see bcp plus) ... while no pac sold currently does not exceed 5 (2,5 on average over the year with luck) ...

[Coconuts]

A PAC will use renewable energy if the electricity it consumes is produced by "renewable" processes. No ?

There are pisicne pisicne 2000 € for the equivalent (kW) of pac heating home costing more than 6000 € (comparison on the heating power only). It's tempting ...

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[Christophe]

A PAC will use renewable energy if the electricity it consumes is produced by "renewable" processes. No ?

Yes, but in this case, any electric radiator connected to the same renewable source will also be ...

With the PAC you just get the efficiency (0.3) of the power stations ... in the end if you start from fuel to make electricity, a fuel boiler will be from a global point of view ALSO "renewable" than a heat pump with a COP of 3... Do you understand that PAC salespeople are starting to tap me on the system? And with Coal (Germany) it's worse, better a boiler oil (from a greenhouse effect point of view) ...

There are pisicne pisicne 2000 € for the equivalent (kW) of pac heating home costing more than 6000 € (comparison on the heating power only). It's tempting ...

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We have to look in detail at the technical instructions ... just to see what the differences are ... if there are any ... Do you have a pool name / pool manufacturer's website?

[Coconuts]

Yes, but in this case, any electric radiator connected to the same renewable source will also be ...

The radiator itself (and except its manufacture) does not release CO2, its use is clean. By cons, and the point as you say is important, the manufacture of electricity is not at all! For the moment...

Example: (the marks are quoted for the example, sorry if it embarrasses someone!)
Pac swimming pool: (piscineo.com)
- For 60m3
- May heating: 8 kW
- Absorbed power: 2,4 kW
- Cop: 3,3
- Flow rate: 5 to 10 m3 / h
- Price: 1849 €

Pac habitat:
- I can not find the ref on the web
- May heating: 8 kW
- Price about 7000 €

Note: Adler made me a delusional offer> € 18 (only the cap) and I also had to break half of a section of the garage wall !!!!

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[elephant]

You should see what it is, but in my opinion, no need for exchanger or sophisiticated regulation to make a PAC pisicine: you take the water from the pool, you come out 30-35 ° and basta.

That said, Christophe rightly on renewable energy and there are solar panel kits for this use at ridiculous prices.

[Coconuts]

The goal is to use a swimming pool (cheaper) for heating the home (200 m2)!

[Christophe]

Uh reassure me, do we compare Air-Water PACs in 2 cases? And not PAC water (soil) - water concerning housing? Because for 18 000 € it would surprise me that this is a PAC Air ...

A cap for the pool is the equivalent of a reversible air conditioning for homes that you also find in the vicinity of 2000 € ...

[Coconuts]

Yes, we compare much air / water in the cases I mentioned.
To adler, the pac had to be solid gold! (In fact it encrypted 2 pac, 2x18 kW) Let's drop this case!

I still do not understand the difference between pac pool and pac habitat prices!
I also underline that the tax credit is (if I understood correctly) for a PAC installed by an approved company and for houses of more than 2 years.
Overall, the margin of the company is almost the amount of the tax credit and my house is only one year old. It's a self-construction.
Hence the significant financial interest.

I am also studying the installation of solar thermal panels for heating and DHW. (either in self-construction or by buying the panels)
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[Other]

Hello

The Pac to heat the pools is the only advantage of air conditioning the house is everything, not for the heating of the house.

Now if you are talking about a swimming pool (underground reservoir to make tampom for heat), it must be huge to provide in winter
I walk with two wells in the ground there is a distance of 7 meters is in winter this table becomes too cold for the heat pump the flow of water is of the order of 30 liters a minute, I speak of a Canadian winter or the heat pump running time is 15minute per hour.

Andre