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[France] national debate on energy transition




by moinsdewatt » 10/10/12, 18:54

The calendar of the national debate on the energy transition is set

19 Seven 2012 actu-environnement.com

The national debate on energy will be structured in three stages: an information phase, a public participation phase and a synthesis phase that will lead to a bill in June 2013. Presentation.

Following the Environmental Conference of 14 and 15 September, the Minister of Ecology, Delphine Batho, presented this Wednesday in the Council of Ministers a communication on the organization of the national debate on the ecological transition.

Four instances, three stages

"This debate will be organized for the sake of environmental efficiency, economic efficiency and social justice. Particular attention will be paid to the social and economic issues of industrial and professional transitions as well as territorial reconversions", declared Delphine Batho.

The debate will be moderated by four bodies: a national organizing committee, a national commission made up of the six colleges invited to the Environmental Conference (State, local authorities, employers, employees, associations and parliamentarians), a committee of scientific experts and a citizen committee. The national commission is responsible for ensuring "a dialogue with the companies concerned".

As for the timetable, three stages are announced by the Minister. First an information phase from November to December 2012. Then a phase of participation of the general public from January to April 2013 "as close as possible to the citizens" with the support of a dedicated website. "During this phase, the regions will be able to set up regional energy conferences making it possible to bring all the territorial initiatives into coherence", specifies Delphine Batho. The Pays-de-la-Loire region has already announced the launch in Nantes on October 1 of regional energy reports.

Finally, the phase of synthesis and development of recommendations in May 2013 will lead to a draft law of programming in June 2013.

Simple and effective development model

Qualified as "the first major project", the Prime Minister indicated on September 15 at the end of the Environmental Conference, that the debate on the energy transition would allow "to examine the industrial, economic and social conditions of the change which is underway. ", which must be based on" a sober and efficient development model ".

For this, he announced that he wanted to "break with all nuclear power for the production of electricity (…) but also with all oil for transport". It will also be "the opportunity to verify the relevance of the contribution to the public service of electricity in its current form", specified Jean-Marc Ayrault before announcing a certain number of immediate measures in terms of progressive pricing of electricity. 'energy, development of renewable energies, automobile consumption, renovation of the building stock, rebalancing of the energy mix, or shale gas.

The day before, at the opening of the conference, François Hollande had set the course: "I expect from your conference and especially the debate that will open afterwards, on the energy transition, that all the players can contribute to laying the essential framework to the development of new forms of energy ".

Animated debate in perspective

The President of the Republic should not be disappointed on this side, many NGOs stepping up to the plate. On the very day of the opening of the conference, the Climate Action Network spoke of "a missed meeting between François Hollande and the climate", due to "the abandonment of an ambitious emission reduction target for 2020 (. ..) whereas France was expected to commit to a target of -30% "and" the worrying neglect of the transport sector ".

Greenpeace, meanwhile, said it was "not reassured". "We will remain vigilant on the alignment of the means and financing with the objectives on housing, on renewables, efficiency, transport, etc. The real transition will be initiated when we talk about phasing out nuclear power and the end of our dependence on fossils, ”said Jean-François Julliard, its CEO.

While welcoming "a new lease of life in France's environmental policy", WWF says it is "particularly vigilant on the conditions for the deployment of the debate" in particular on "the control of communication by electricity operators".



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Re: [France] National debate on the energy transition




by moinsdewatt » 10/10/12, 19:02

In search of a competitive energy transition

10 Oct 2012 New Factory

The energy industry was invited to the National Assembly to participate in a round table on the energy transition. In a sometimes rough climate, they put forward the essential need of competitiveness.

They were the main absentees from the 14 and 15 September Environmental Conference. This October 10, the energy industry was able to express itself on the energy transition, subject of the round table co-organized by the commissions of Economic Affairs and Sustainable Development. Luc Oursel, CEO of Areva, Henri Proglio, CEO of EDF, Olivier Appert, President of the French Institute of Oil-New Energy (IFPEN) and Jean-Louis Bal, President of the Renewable Energy Union (SER) , spoke in front of a large audience of deputies.

With great unanimity, all recognized the need for an energy transition, if only with regard to the French trade balance. 90% of its deficit, or 61 billion euros, comes from imports of hydrocarbons. But speakers stressed the need for competitiveness. "In France, energy policies have always sought to promote an industrial policy," said Luc Oursel from the outset, recalling the number of large French groups champions internationally: "We hope that the choices that will be made will allow these channels. " Henri Proglio for his part affirmed that nuclear power and hydraulics form the basis of French competitiveness: electricity 40% cheaper than in European neighbors.

EDF, the leading investor in energy efficiency in France

The place of renewable energies has been widely discussed. Henri Proglio claimed to have invested more in new energies than in nuclear power in 2012. The national electrician would be the leading investor in energy efficiency in France. Since 2006, it has renovated 1,6 million housing units, including 500 social housing units. Jean-Louis bal, of the SER, recalled that the world market for renewable energies had gone from 000 billion euros in 39 to 2004 billion in 257. "It is a great issue of industrial policy", insisted the president of the trade union, which called for incentive, sustainable and degressive systems to move towards competitiveness.

After these interventions, the questions of the deputies released a certain aggressiveness: between the parliamentary groups, against the government, but also of the participants in the round table. Philippe Plisson, socialist deputy for Gironde, thus apostrophed the CEO of EDF, Henri Proglio: "During the presidential campaign, you took a public position of opposition to candidate Hollande's program with regard to nuclear energy . This one having been elected, should the logic of your commitments not lead you to submit your resignation? ". The Socialist Chairman of the Sustainable Development Commission, Jean-Paul Chanteguet, replied: "We have to weigh the words we use. We are not here to make somewhat violent statements. We are here to dialogue."

Henri Proglio did not mince his words either. The manager explained at length that the current production park will cover only 60% of electricity needs in 2025. Before launching sharply: "Shouldn't we ask ourselves the question of where the electricity would come from? still produced rather than wondering how to eliminate existing means of production? "
The absence of the energy industry at the Environmental Conference could be interpreted as a concern to prevent the discussions from turning into controversy. We must believe that prudence was justified.


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Re: [France] National debate on the energy transition




by sen-no-sen » 20/10/12, 13:23

moinsdewatt wrote:
Simple and effective development model



:D It's as if government members read econology *!


https://www.econologie.com/forums/solutions-pour-la-transition-econologique-et-anti-crise-t11791-20.html

For my part, I think that "effective sobriety" would be a nice noun.


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Ok with "effective sobriety" conceptually better than "energy efficiency".



: Cheesy:

*Or, that they come to pique ideas, given their lack of imagination!
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by Ahmed » 20/10/12, 15:43

To read such nonsense, naive minds (to which they are destined) would be inclined to believe that JM Ayrault would give up his airport of Notre-Dame-des Landes ... :frown:
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by sen-no-sen » 20/10/12, 15:53

Ahmed wrote:To read such nonsense, naive minds (to which they are destined) would be inclined to believe that JM Ayrault would give up his airport of Notre-Dame-des Landes ... :frown:


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by Ahmed » 20/10/12, 16:01

Even drunk, they will not miss them! 8)
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by sen-no-sen » 20/10/12, 17:38

Ahmed wrote:Even drunk, they will not miss them! 8)


Pretty pleonasm!
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Well beers we can do without alcohol! : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 07/01/13, 14:29

A short speech by Jean Marc Jancovici on the debate that is so much about him (if yes!), the National Debate on Energy Transition:

It will be understood: if it allows to put on the table some ideas that deserve to be, no debate will replace the time that members of the government did not spend studying the question before coming to power. . Our city officials did not understand that energy is not "one sector among others", but the blood of billions of machines which now work for us, everywhere and all the time, with an average power 500 times greater than that of our own muscles.

Cars, planes, fridges, elevators, pumps, boilers, stamping presses, elevators, excavators, conveyors, cranes, telephones, printers, and all their "cousins" now provide us with a huge exoskeleton that has made us real supermen. . Without energy in abundance, today there would be neither purchasing power multiplied by 50 in 150 years, nor reduction in the time worked (pensions, studies, vacations, 35-hour week, etc.), nor abundant food. season, neither mobility for all… nor a life expectancy increased from 25 to 80 years in 2 centuries.


http://www.manicore.com/documentation/articles/JDD_DNTE.html

Irony mode engaged:
It's true that the debate completely obscured all other news in the news, the government really wants to change things! : Lol:
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by cortejuan » 12/03/13, 11:23

Hello,

I did not know where to post this little info. If necessary, move it to the right place ...

The latest CNRS journal is devoted to energy storage, it can be found online on the site:

http://www2.cnrs.fr/journal/.

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by Christophe » 12/03/13, 11:25

Enough interesting cortejuan to make a new topic, click on new here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/energies-r ... -vf39.html instead of answering :)

Here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/stockage-d ... 12355.html
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