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by Christophe » 04/09/08, 16:13

We talked about it recently in a subject. Here are some examples of new houses from a Belgian manufacturer offered in the surrounding area and even less than 100 € out of course of course (indicative prices based on a model with oil heating, htva (21%) and architect's fees (5%))

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Basically, therefore, VAT + costs + the land must be added (highly variable price: € 50 is a good average in Belgium). So in the end a house of € 000 will cost: 100 * 000 * 100 + 000 = € 1.21 almost double the price displayed ...

I do not know if we should add the notary fees for a new house on the other hand?

http://www.maisonsblavier.be/blavier-be ... tm#Maisons
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by swift2540 » 14/09/08, 01:06

Good evening Christophe,
no notary fees for the house, but notary fees on the purchase of the land, 16,5% I believe.
Blavier is VERY far from being top in construction, other manufacturers have a better reputation ...
http://www.thomas-piron.be/fr/index.php
http://www.gc.be/gc/index.php
http://www.tpalm.be/
for example. By cons find prices on the internet, it's hard hard
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by Woodcutter » 18/09/08, 21:05

What level of energy performance for these houses?
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by swift2540 » 18/09/08, 22:29

Woodcutter wrote:What level of energy performance for these houses?

Hi,
In Belgium, new homes are based on the K55 and E100 standards. K55 should roughly match your French standard RT and E100 is a big aberation :!: :!:
It's quite technical, but to put it simply, it's based on the + and des that we give to buildings. With this principle, you can insulate very little but put solar panels to compensate and get to be within the norm.
For example, near my house, we build 2 apartments with 10cm bricks, 1cm of hollow and 20cm of Ytong blocks. : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
In short, houses are not great, we start talking about low energy but not often ... And with supplements
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by Christophe » 18/09/08, 22:53

The strict legal minimum for Bucheron ... 5cm on the wall and 20cm in the attic, 100% chemical recess in 99% of cases.

I don't really know the correspondence but I think it must be between the RT2000 and RT2005.

We visited a new 150m² house (oil + conventional radiator) before buying ours and the guy was talking about 3000L of fuel per year ... I thought it was pretty huge!

But an invoice of € 50, even for fuel oil at € 000 per liter, it's been a few years ... and you know how people think (I'm not saying that insulating costs € 1 but € 50 is the price difference between a house "a little better" thermally designed than a basic)

Swift is because Blavier clearly showed the prices that I took this example but we can find other examples

TP and tpalm for it is strictly the same as Blavier ...
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by Woodcutter » 18/09/08, 23:09

Christophe wrote:The strict legal minimum for Bucheron ... 5cm on the wall and 20cm in the attic, 100% chemical recess in 99% of cases. [...]
Mwoué ... :? This is what we see in the villas of the 80s and 90s that we are renovating: 8 cm on the wall and 18 cm on the roof.
I'm not too surprised that they are at 200 kWh / m² / year for heating.
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by Christophe » 18/09/08, 23:11

Hey Buch! I still have the plans and specifications for the house in question! There's probably something about insulation, I'm going to search!
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by Christophe » 18/09/08, 23:35

Have found! It's quite detailed in fact, in bulk:

a) "ordinary" double glazing joinery K = 1.4
b) door in door unit (gni?) in beech
c) ventilated crawl space of 80 cm (estimated height according to plans)
d) Wall:
- interior in terracotta blocks
- facade in Bétorix (gni?) module 65 gray
- 40 mm styrodur insulation (it's worse than I thought! and it was in 2005-2006 !!)
e) Ground: insulating screed at level 0

THERE IS NOTHING about roof insulation (gni?)

Voila lumberjack!
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by Christophe » 18/09/08, 23:56

swift2540 wrote:In short, houses are not great, we start talking about low energy but not often ... And with supplements
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Well, in the last natural habitat, there is a file on green AND eco-friendly houses! They present a low energy house at the same price as a "classic" ... which shows that when you want you can only you know what rules the world: the maximum profit ...

Here is the problem ...
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by swift2540 » 19/09/08, 00:10

Unfortunately, yes you are right.
I'm on this site and I read a lot because I'm tired of being a sheep!
So, to dissociate myself from the “god” petroleum, I start by insulating my house. I'm nowhere, I'm waiting for a permit for renovation (I have single-glazed north-facing windows, a chasm to heat)
: Cry: : Cry:
So I inform myself first, I transform then and, if you are interested, I will put online as and when.
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