FR3 19-20h 08/12: an ecological house near Chambéry

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FR3 19-20h 08/12: an ecological house near Chambéry




by jean63 » 09/12/07, 23:57

Yes still a report ........ but this is not a "passive"

http://jt.france3.fr/1920/index.php3?jt=1

click on "an ecological house near Chambéry"

misterloxo still working !! thank you.

Edit by Christophe: here is the live video
https://www.econologie.com/video-d-une-m ... -3554.html
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by Misterloxo » 10/12/07, 21:37

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by jean63 » 11/12/07, 00:26

thanks misterloxo.

My dear green house : 440 euros but with roof entirely covered with photovoltaic panels + heat pump (air-air?) + 000 cms of cork in the wooden frame walls (very expensive cork) + red cedar exterior cladding. electrical production sold to EDF: 15 euros / year according to the designer

We are far from the octagonal straw house (passive) at 150 euros from johnix. If I had to choose I would take the passive octagonal.

The only subsidy paid by the General Council is 30 euros.
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by I Citro » 11/12/07, 14:50

jean63 wrote:We are far from the octagonal straw house (passive) at 150 euros from johnix. If I had to choose I would take the passive octagonal.

The only subsidy paid by the General Council is 30 euros.


Thanks again to misterloxo 8)

I agree with jean63 it's still a "capitalist" presentation.
We try to make the customer gogo believe that his house will enrich him.
In fact the client will especially enrich his banker over 30 years minimum !!!

As for the 6000 € sold to EDF, I understood that we had to buy back 4000 € of annual consumption of the house, that is to say "only 2000 € of gain".
It seems to me that the contracts to buy back electricity are at a fixed price while the prices for selling electricity will go up significantly (now that EDF is privatized) : Evil:
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by jean63 » 11/12/07, 15:26

As for the 6000 € sold to EDF, I understood that we had to buy back 4000 € of annual consumption of the house, that is to say "only 2000 € of gain".
It seems to me that the contracts to buy back electricity are at a fixed price while the prices for selling electricity will go up significantly (now that EDF is privatized)

Exact, it's a big scam !!

If they rely on this kind of report to promote the so-called "green" houses, well it's bad luck .......

They better show passive houses, in particular the 3 models which have already been put into econology:

- Belgian Ardennes
- Octagonal (straw)
- The almost passive French house (80%) cited in a report by FR2 or FR3 whose video is here.

Frankly, our teams of "pseudo-specialists in energy-efficient housing" who worked at the Grenelle de l'environnement would have a lot to learn from this type of house.

We are really dummies in France (see Austria and Germany).
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by Christophe » 11/12/07, 15:39

Here I put the video viewable directly on the site: https://www.econologie.com/video-d-une-m ... -3554.html

citro wrote:As for the 6000 € sold to EDF, I understood that we had to buy back 4000 € of annual consumption of the house, that is to say "only 2000 € of gain".
It seems to me that the contracts to buy back electricity are at a fixed price while the prices for selling electricity will go up significantly (now that EDF is privatized) : Evil:


Uh, it's not really what I understood:

a) they save 4000 € of energy bill (so all inclusive not just electricity) we can deduce that there is roughly a maximum of 1000 € of EdF bill (25% of electricity on the energy bill).

b) they resell for 6000 € per year on the network

c) he speaks of a gain of € 150 over 000 years, i.e. € 20 (where does the additional € 7500 come from?) per year, offsetting the “extra cost” of € 1500 ...Only he forgets to say that after 20 years the PV are almost at the limit of their life ...

It's silly that we don't know how many m² were installed and for how much. Currently the price of the Chinese PV is 5 € HT the Wc not installed.

What he does not say is that as a photovoltaic engineer, I doubt that he really paid a high price for his panels (would he be wrong?) And already the study was necessarily free. .. (unless he pays for himself :D). Which is already a significant gain in itself ...

Whatever the price announced 440 000 € is HUGE !! Especially since it's more a chalet than a house, how many m² do you think? We don't even know if there is the price of the land! (this is real estate madness in this corner there as in bcp region in France)

It is more elitist ecology than econology for all :( ... and I completely agree with Jean63's opinion on this one (it's rare enough to put it forward :D )

Otherwise I liked the blow of the "heat pump under the eaves which recovers the external energy" ... but of course thank you journalists :) No matter nawak! : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: Ah yes it is true that we are not far from the country of purple cows and marmots who wrap up the chocolate!
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by Christophe » 11/12/07, 16:04

By the way, you think that journalists would be interested in a report by a "solar-wood" house with 70 m² of panel and with a 70 m3 buffer "lost" (well not that much, Sedans is 20 min away) in the bulge but which cost less than an "average" apartment in the big French cities? : Mrgreen:

Well, I haven't told you yet, but in the next few times I'm going to study whether it is possible (econologically speaking, of course) to put micro-cogeneration (diesel oil or even stirling wood).
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by I Citro » 11/12/07, 16:18

Christophe wrote:a) they save 4000 € of energy bill (so all inclusive not just electricity) we can deduce that there is roughly a maximum of 1000 € of EdF bill (25% of electricity on the energy bill).

b) they resell for 6000 € per year on the network

c) he speaks of a gain of € 150 over 000 years, i.e. € 20 (where does the additional € 7500 come from?) per year, offsetting the “extra cost” of € 1500 ...Only he forgets to say that after 20 years the PV are almost at the limit of their life ...

I didn't understand everything either

Christophe wrote:It's silly that we don't know how many m² were installed and for how much. Currently the price of the Chinese PV is 5 € HT the Wc not installed.

This represents approximately 750 € HT per m²? (at 150w / m²)

Christophe wrote:Otherwise I liked the blow of the "heat pump under the eaves which recovers the external energy" ... but of course thank you journalists :) No matter nawak! : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: Ah yes it is true that we are not far from the country of purple cows and marmots who wrap up the chocolate!

Especially in winter by -15 ° C! I wonder what they are going to "pump"! :x
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by Christophe » 11/12/07, 16:28

I'm wrong for the PV is 3.5 € HT sorry ... 5 € HT is the price of the "European" PV.

For the heat pump, the journalists undoubtedly confused with a VMC double flow ... but it is true that that also pumps heat (but from inside the house : Mrgreen: ) ...
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