Neonicotinoid Pesticides: ANSES Alert on Thiacloprid

[Christophe]

And one more reason (as if it were still necessary) to go to the Potager du Sloth: agriculture / the-garden-of-the-lazy-pound t15543.html

Funny the names anyway: the Thiaclopride which is part of the Neonicotineoides

Health impacts of neonicotinoids: ANSES warns of thiacloprid

The health security agency publishes new data on neonicotinoid pesticides. Their health impact is low except for thiacloprid. It requests a restriction of use and continues in parallel its work on the alternatives.

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https://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/n ... 30775.php4

In a progress report published on Monday, the National Agency for Sanitary Security (ANSES) recommends "to minimize the use of phytosanitary products based on thiacloprid", an active substance of the neonicotinoid family.

The law "For the recovery of biodiversity, nature and landscapes" of August 8, 2016 provides for the prohibition of the use of phytosanitary products containing active substances of the neonicotinoid family as well as seeds treated with these products to from September 1, 2018. The law also provides for exemptions until July 1, 2020.

In this context, the National Health Security Agency (ANSES) was approached by the Ministries of Agriculture, Health and the Environment with two objectives. One, assess the risks and benefits of neonicotinoid pesticides and their chemical and non-chemical alternatives. Two, carry out in-depth expertise concerning the impacts on human health of the neonicotinoid substances authorized in France.

Thiacloprid on the hot seat

Before publishing its final report, in the second quarter of 2018, ANSES presented this Monday a second progress report.

ANSES has examined the data available on the dangers to human health presented by the six active substances in the family of authorized neonicotinoids: acetamiprid, clothianidin, imidacloprid, thiacloprid, thiamethoxam and dinotefuran.

"This work does not show any harmful effect on human health, in compliance with the conditions of use set in the marketing authorizations", declares ANSES.

ANSES issues a reservation concerning the active substance thiacloprid. "Given its hazard characteristics, the significant increase in its use over the period 2010-2015 and the uncertainties associated with cumulative exposures with other plant protection products, ANSES recommends reducing the uses for products based on this substance from 2018. "

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[Did67]

Nicotine has long been a powerful insecticide! I remember seeing in the cabin of my father's garden, a can with a skull and crossbones, nicotine solution! It was one of the first molecules banned for this use!

Neonicotinioids are molecules that "mimic" nicotine. As pyrethroids mimic pyrethrin - the active molecule of pyrethrum, a plant related to Chrysanthemum ...

The funniest thing is the 36% of people (men) who smoke in France, 3/4 of which probably buy "organic" ... Those who vape nicotine should be added.

See the cool backward babas who criticize, fang on the beak, the farmers !!! Here we reach summits! 50 years that nicotine has been banned as an insecticide because it is too dangerous ...

[Christophe]

The funniest thing is the 36% of people (men) who smoke in France, 3/4 of which probably buy "organic" ... Those who vape nicotine should be added.

3/4 of male smokers would buy organic according to your statistics? I read well?

See the cool backward babas who criticize, fang on the beak, the farmers !!! Here we reach summits!

Bah that !! The psychological paradoxes are as numerous as the number of human brains on Earth I think ... Who can say that they have never had paradoxical behavior? But it is true that among die-hard ecologists it is "seen" more ... Where at least it is more noticed? The reason? To be debated!

This is also what makes originality and I dare say the beauty of humanity!

[Did67]

3/4 of male smokers would buy organic according to your statistics? I read well?

I do not have cross statistics. But knowing that 89% of French people consume at least occasionally "organic", and 65% regularly, it would be surprising that 75% of smokers do not consume - at least occasionally.

And the question remains, even if it was only 50%!

[Janic]

Christophe wrote: 3/4 of the male smokers would buy organic according to your statistics? I read well?

I do not have cross statistics. But knowing that 89% of French people consume at least occasionally "organic", and 65% regularly, it would be surprising that 75% of smokers do not consume - at least occasionally.

These figures must be put into perspective! Indeed organic has become trendy and therefore a large part of the population has tried these products at least once (generally in supermarkets and as these are the high places of the cheapest that ... it is hardly convincing) and gives up on seen prices. The persistent, roughly the 65% in question, are supplied either by hearsay that it is better to taste and take some products from time to time, or by conviction that it is better for their health, much more important than prices, and unfortunately contradictions are manifested there like the fact of continuing to smoke because addicted to this drug and even to drink alcohol other drug. Besides, even if someone came up with the idea of ​​producing organic tobacco, as we produce organic alcohol, the result would be identical.

And the question remains, even if it was only 50%!

Absolutely ! the right solution is to get rid of these poisons!

[Did67]

These figures must be put into perspective! Indeed organic has become trendy and therefore a large part of the population has tried these products at least once (generally in supermarkets and as these are the high places of the cheapest that ... it is hardly convincing) and gives up on seen prices.

Yes I totally agree. The proof, more than 90% of the food produced (consumed? I have a memory lapse) remains conventional: most of the food consumed by the French therefore remains conventional!

I'm not talking about the impact.

I'm just talking about the inconsistency consisting on the one hand in gorging daily on a product containing up to 70 carcinogens (proven!) And on the other hand, being tempted, if only occasionally, to " eat better "by eating" organic ". For me, this signs the sidereal void of reflection, the satisfaction of "fashions" (including that of "organic") ... Which reaches peaks, as I wrote, when these smokers campaign for less agriculture. polluting / less polluted ...

PS: Regarding "organic tobacco", I had thought, on April 1st, of announcing the conversion of Alsatian tobacco production to "organic" ... It was an idea of ​​farce. But I saw with my own eyes many kiosks with fries / sausage curry marked "organic" in Berlin!

[Janic]

I'm just talking about the inconsistency consisting on the one hand in gorging daily on a product containing up to 70 carcinogens (proven!) And on the other hand, being tempted, if only occasionally, to " eat better "by eating" organic ". For me, this signs the sidereal void of reflection, the satisfaction of "fashions" (including that of "organic") ... Which reaches peaks, as I wrote, when these smokers campaign for less agriculture. polluting / less polluted ...

of course there is a kind of inconsistency and this is far from the only area concerned. How many athletes rush to their cigarettes after playing a sport that detoxifies their body. But it is understandable since it is a drug and the withdrawal effect is imperative in these smokers. Nothing to do with any health philosophy since they are sick! In comparison, it is like fans of organic products who stuff themselves with toxic chemical drugs to deal with their pathologies, many of which are of food origin.
It's like the fashion of barbecues which generate as many carcinogens as cigarettes and even worse when you are a smoker ... but as some say: "you have to die of something, so you might as well take advantage of it! "

[Did67]

It is the "organic eating" that questions me then ... Not the fact that we cannot stop smoking! [Although some do]

[Janic]

It is the "organic eating" which questions me then ...

so goes human nature which is full of apparent or real contradictions. I would say, from experience, that you have to start with an end that can lead to stop this destructive consumption. as the popular expression says: "Paris was not done in a day"

Not the fact that you can't stop smoking! [Although some do)

Contrary to what is said, it is not difficult to quit smoking, it is still necessary to use the right method. I co-facilitated (I have already mentioned elsewhere) smoking cessation sessions, spanning a week, and the results, on hundreds of participants, gave the same results: the abandonment without difficulty of this dependence, in a few rare cases of deep psychological orders!
The medical profession, through its tobacco specialists, is trying to reproduce this method in a partial way, with notable failures since by eliminating the main force and keeping smokers dependent on this drug = guaranteed short and medium term failures.