Creation and maintenance of an orchard

[olivier75]

Hello,

As requested and to free the did67 thread,
I propose this one to exchange on the arboriculture and family viticulture and their outlets.

I have about 80 trees of all ages on 2 sites including one being created since 1 year.
I also started a small collection of vines, about 25 varieties.

Olivier.

[Stef72]

excellent idea Olivier, the subject also interests me, I have about 1500 m2 with fruit. The grandpa who put this in place has died 5 years ago so stuff has sprung up everywhere and there are probably big questions to think.
I am today cutting some willows Marsault which are a little too high and too south.

I have some boards in phenoculture in preparation between some trees, where there is the most light ...

[sicetaitsimple]

As requested and to free the did67 thread,
I propose this one to exchange on the arboriculture and family viticulture and their outlets.

Thank you Olivier for taking my suggestion to the leap and to volunteer!

I have a first question, but first I have to summarize my project, even if I have already talked about it more or less.

- Follower of the phenoculture in the garden (to my sauce) since 3 years, but on a limited surface (75m2), I bought this summer a parcel of meadow of 1400m2 approximately, adjoining the garden.
- I will reserve about 400m2 around, extension of the kitchen garden, berries, flowers, and a possible greenhouse in the future. Next year the idea is to make a hundred m2 of garden (in addition to existing 75).
-Rest then 1000m2, that I will plant in orchard this winter
- Except for exception, that low stems, because I think there is an age beyond which to do the monkey on a stool or a ladder is not really reasonable, and even if I have not yet reached (it is discussed!), it will be reached when the orchard begins to give.
- Distance between trees 5m, my nurseryman confirmed me that for bass-rods it was good. Other opinions?
-Therefore potentially I have the place to plant between 40 and 50 trees (25m2 about per tree, after that depends a little on the distance to the fence that I adopt).
- I'm going to put a little bit of everything, apple, pear, peach, cherry, apricot, etc. .. by varying the species.

So the question: I had read I do not know where (not on econology I think) that it was better in a case like that to "group" the species, the apple trees in one corner, the pear trees in the other, ... to promote pollination.

On the contrary, my nurseryman, in my case, that is to say a rather small orchard, recommends me to panacher to the maximum by alternating an apple tree, a pear tree, a cherry tree ... etc ..., according to him pollinators will find it but it will be less easy for pests?

I think I do as he advises me, but do you have opinions and experiences on this?

[Did67]

In Alsace, there is an excellent magazine for amateur arborists and beekeepers. There is a federation still powerful enough.

Since this year, I have been writing articles about Le Potager du Sloth. Some of my confs in Alsace are organized by local associations.

It's called "Fruits and Bees" and you can subscribe.

There was a discussion on Saturday to make it accessible in digital form - purchase by number, etc ... I did not participate, so I do not know what was concluded.

View: http://www.fruitsetabeilles.com/

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[Did67]

free the did67 thread,

Just for the sake of it: I don't consider this to be "MY" thread ... The thread where I contribute a lot, perhaps?

But indeed, it is good to treat this subject in parallel. It does not concern everyone ...

Beekeeping would be another ...

[sicetaitsimple]

Just for the sake of it: I don't consider this to be "MY" thread ... The thread where I contribute a lot, perhaps?

But indeed, it is good to treat this subject in parallel. It does not concern everyone ...

Beekeeping would be another ...

That's what I thought when I suggested a dedicated thread, because actually it does not interest everyone.

And Olivier took the leap, I'm happy because it is still good to have a "practitioner" to keep a little serious thread alive. There are obviously others, I have the names!

Well, we just have to hope that it is not "Olivier's thread"! At least not more than the main thread is "Didier's thread", where it is true that you contribute, but just a little!

PS: beekeeping it would tempt me but I do not like honey!

[olivier75]

Hi,

Didier, if it's not your thread we worry anyway when you do not intervene!

It's not too bad if it's my thread, but I can not guarantee such good moderation and even less a daily follow-up ...

I wish it could bring a different way to apprehend the orchard as the phenoculture for the vegetable garden, in the same spirit of questioning, feedback experience (s) and preference (s) of each, see beliefs time to check ! Even if it is clearly far from (of) a normality.

I am not, (although I have, through readings and discussions, more and more knowledge), a specialist, and I consider that many answers are appropriate according to the course of course, but also the goal. small trees to pick, big ones to pick up, etc.

The two inspirations of the moment, Stefan Sobkowiak and Evelyne Leterme.

Olivier

[phil12]

Good evening everyone ,

Anyway it is unmistakable in the parallel orchard // garden that:

- agradation by phenoculture is the same
- limitation of watering thanks to the ground cover
- the balancing of predators and diseases by biodiversity are to lead in the same state of mind

The difference lies in my opinion in the conduct of setting fruit (size, shape of the tree)

[Did67]

PS: beekeeping it would tempt me but I do not like honey!

So this one, she is not banal !!!!

[phil12]

Hi,



The two inspirations of the moment, Stefan Sobkowiak and Evelyne Leterme.

I quite agree that my only concern in the case of Stefan lies in the size, all these forms of fruit trees a little too constrained to see tortured me annoy (U, palmette, trowel for some permaculturists etc ..) a bit like for the Bonzaïs.

I will try to lead mine with the least possible constraints.

I think we should not mix:
> Commercial arboriculture like Stephane and family orchard
> family sloth vegetable garden> and market gardening like MSV