Utopia 2 process ... THE RETURN?

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Utopia 2 process ... THE RETURN?




by Christophe » 09/02/06, 12:49

http://www.moteurahydrogene.com


It's up to you to make up your own mind ... mine is already done:


"Curiously, the French Government does not seem interested in this invention. The Prime Minister's Office (See Letter from the Prime Minister's Office) refers me to the Minister for Industry. The Ministry of Industry (See E-mail from Ministry of Industry) refers me to Ademe and Oséo Anvar. And these two organizations do not answer me ... "

-> interesting opinion (pusique I suffered the same disappointments with what you know)

"France could become as rich as all the oil-producing countries put together."

"The inventor believes that knowledge should be shared, but the stake of this invention is too important to respond lightly. Because it is likely that it will mark the end of the supremacy of oil as a fuel."

"The main part of the prototype, which extracts hydrogen from water, has been purposely hidden and is located in the black flightcase."


-> discredit "the invention"

Conclusion: if the affair seems more credible (at least less cluttered and obscure) than Utopia, it is still terribly lacking in scientifism. The farce (if there is a farce) will take less time than Utopia (the author seems more honest, already he's boiling) I think.

ps: I just wrote this email to the author of the page

"Hello,

I created a topic about your invention on my forum (2000 members)
https://www.econologie.com/forums/procede-ut ... t1514.html

As econologists, we would like to dissect (if possible) your invention. We assume that there have been so many similar inventions that have turned out to be hoaxes that it has become hard to be credible in the field. It's up to you to try to convince us :)

Yours truly "
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by nlc » 09/02/06, 18:33

I agree with you, just the fact that the system is in a black box discredits the system.

Who tells us that there is not a bottle of hydrogen inside?
One can very well show the system without needing to detail its principle of operation. In addition, there is a patent pending, so ...

In short, if the inventor of this system goes there, I have 2 questions to ask him:

- Is it a hydrogen generator based on water electrolysis (standard or non-conventional)
- If yes, what gas flow does it generate, and how much does it consume?
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by lau » 09/02/06, 21:15

The boy has a good head! His system can work! Image
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by Christophe » 10/02/06, 11:59

The inventor signed up for forum and sent me this email (do your opinion : Shock: :

Mister Martz,


Thank you for your interest in my invention.

Embassy attachés, journalists from the written press and
the French Hydrogen Association asked me for the details of my invention. But I do not know the position of the French Government vis-à-vis it, this is why I cannot explain its functioning for the moment; although I have obtained a standard letter from the INPI authorizing exploitation and disclosure.

Compared to what I read on the forum Econologie.com, it seems to me necessary to clarify that I have nothing to sell to individuals. The only thing I want to sell is my patent, but it can only be sold to a state or a large company (car manufacturer for example). And there things are clear, the buyer will demand that I explain my invention from A to Z before buying it.

I am in good faith, but how can I convince the members of Econologie.com without revealing how my invention works?

Receive my best regards.

F.Lecler


To which I replied:

Hello,

Thank you for your reply.

What is the point of selling your invention to the State or to the car manufacturer if it is not pure venality since their interest will be to stifle your invention?

You may have the possibility of saving millions of human lives (end of the oil war) as well as greatly reducing the greenhouse effect and you only think of "selling" your patent? I admit that I do not fully understand .... (I hope that you have installed a PCT because an FR will not interest anyone ...).

Then pkoi sell when you could exploit it and enrich yourself at the same time?

How to explain to my visitors? I would say by starting by saying what you just said to me but watch out for virulent reactions (of the same type as mine) ... No need to go into details (then anyway your patent will be published soon ... and therefore accessible to everyone).

See you soon


I hope he will come here to answer my questions directly ...
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by lau » 10/02/06, 12:14

Econology wrote:What is the point of selling your invention to the State or to the car manufacturer if it is not pure venality since their interest will be to stifle your invention?


If this is proven then it is certain that there is no hesitation in disclosing all the plans on the internet as Pantone did.
Otherwise, industrialization would save the environment, but I think we can always dream.
Third hypothesis: our guy did not invent anything great.
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by Motorahydrogene.com » 11/02/06, 13:34

Mister Martz,


By selling my patent, my main goal is to raise funds for
other inventions that I have had in mind for years. And the facts
unfortunately show that the oil wars continue to exist
despite the alternative solutions.

My invention will come out, I do everything for. Currently 12 countries are
interested in exploiting the invention, not in burying it.
Not all car manufacturers apply the same policy and I
think, for example, that BMW, which has shown great interest in
hydrogen cars wouldn't bury my patent.

Exploiting my invention directly would mean that I have to devote to it
all my time and, as I said above, I want to realize
other inventions that I think are more important than my new
hydrogen engine.

To show that my invention really works, I intend to
have its operation verified by a bailiff.

Receive my best regards.


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by Motorahydrogene.com » 11/02/06, 13:36

Mister Martz,


No, I don't mind that you copy our exchanges on the forum.

There are many things more important than the energy problem but there
is premature to discuss my future inventions.

I will gladly participate in forum as soon as I have a little more time.

Receive my best regards.


F.Lecler

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> Hello,
>
> I have allowed myself to copy our exchanges on the forum, I hope it doesn't
> don't bother you but I would like you to intervene directly if
> possible (as I saw that you signed up):
> https://www.econologie.com/forums/procede-ut ... t1514.html
>
> Otherwise, I don't really understand what is most important
> currently that the energy problem ...
>
> Best regards
> C. Martz, engineer Ensais
> https://www.econologie.com
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by Motorahydrogene.com » 11/02/06, 13:44

Hello everybody


To respond to nlc:

> Who tells us that there is not a bottle of hydrogen inside?
Do you really think my invention would be patentable if it were a compressed hydrogen bottle?

> Is it a hydrogen generator based on water electrolysis (standard or non-conventional)
No.

All I can say is that it really works and that it's new (besides, for an invention to be patentable it has to be
be new).


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by Christophe » 11/02/06, 22:23

Motorahydrogene.com wrote:All I can say is that it really works and that it's new (besides, for an invention to be patentable it has to be
be new).



Too bad it doesn't really help us ... so we wouldn't even have the right to some performance figures?

Style how many L of water to power an engine of X hp for Y time?


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by Motorahydrogene.com » 12/02/06, 12:35

Hello everybody


I do not have the necessary equipment to make the measurements (consumption, pollution, etc ...) on the other hand they will be made by Jean-Louis Naudin, who agrees, as soon as I go to Paris.

I will publish the results of the measurements.

Bonne journée.


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