Reactor mounted in series

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Reactor mounted in series




by Murphy59 » 02/03/06, 13:24

Hello,

view the configuration of my exhaust outlet,

it is divided into 2 (cylinder 1 & 4) and (cylinder 3 & 2) to join in 1 further.

so I would like to mount 3 reactors:
stainless steel rod 310 diameter 12
stainless steel tube 310 diameter 14
in an envelope of 18

exhaust outlet:

N ° 1 reactor exhaust connection point

(output 1 & 4) reactor N ° 2
(output 3 & 2) reactor N ° 3

reactor N ° 2 and N ° 3 would be mounted in //

so in summary:
N ° 1 would be in series with 2 & 3

outlet bubbler to reactor N ° 1
reactor output N ° 1 to reactor N ° 2 and N ° 3

is such an arrangement possible?
Doesn't the Geet gas produced by N ° 1 run the risk of burns arriving in reactors 2 & 3?

in my opinion if there is no air its does not risk but you never know

thank you for enlightening me

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by rezut » 02/03/06, 14:15

hello Murphy59 and welcome

I do not see the interest of the 1 ° pantone because with equal section your steam supply will not be sufficient for the 2 other pantone and the goal is to transform the vapor into gas therefore the gas produced by the 1 ° will not necessarily improve with the following.
I will be satisfied with the 2 in // by placing them as close as possible to the engine output
this is my opinion and i am not the holy spirit so do as you see fit or expect other advice

see you soon and send us your experience
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by zac » 02/03/06, 14:22

Hello
Don't worry.
If your engine is less than 2 liters put a single reactor where it goes in a single tube; otherwise put in two (smaller), with a single carburetor or bubbler and a single outlet.
As nobody knows how it works; experience proves that the simplest assemblies work best.
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by Other » 02/03/06, 15:13

Hello,
Why install reactors in series?
the idea would be to have a higher temperature at the outlet?
There is no evidence that it works better with a higher outlet temperature.
Nor too high a temperature at the inlet of the reactor.
experience tells us that a long rod of 40cm is not efficient and it looks quite easily like two reactors of 20 cm in series.
To give you an idea on my experimental 125cc montage
I have a 12,7mm X250mm rod
and on the 3,8 liter Chevrolet it is a 12,7 X200mm rod
So it's better to have a good reactor that works than a series of reactors that don't work.

And as ZAC says, simplicity always has its place.

Very few people are able to say what happens in a water dopge, the only things we know is following the various montages and experiments.

If you want to make complicated it is 2 reactors in 1 per group of cylinder according to your tuayterie. entrances and exits in parallel.

If you want to keep it simple it's a reactor in the end where all the tuayux connect.

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by bob_isat » 02/03/06, 15:35

Mounting 2 reactors in parallel would reduce by 2 the pressure drop between the bubbler and the manifold, ie to double the steam flow for a given pressure.

This is undoubtedly to be considered for large displacements in order to completely treat the admitted mixture.

at spad, they recommend 1 reactor for every 80 hp
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by rpsantina » 02/03/06, 18:10

Hello,

make blunders for the mods on the manifold lines,

the lengths upstream of the last Y are calculated to favor the propagation of waves of pressures and depressions.
This improves performance at a given speed range.

After the Y, it affects all diets, in my opinion, it's a little less serious : Cheesy:
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by Murphy59 » 03/03/06, 11:12

Hello

thank you for your answer.

Andrew wrote:Why install reactors in series?
the idea would be to have a higher temperature at the outlet?



in fact the idea of ​​reactor N ° 1 would be prefabricated the gases in order to have an optimum output at the reactor 2 & 3 output.

but of course according to your advice it would be preferable to put one.

So if you confirmed to me that the gas produced by No. 1 will not burn.

I will do the following test:

test with reactor N ° 1 (only)

test Reactor 2 & 3 connected in // (only)

then test with the 3 reactors (N ° 1 in series with the 2 & 3)

the N ° 1 I think to do it with a diameter <or> of 2 & 3

in fact I will take advantage that my output is disassembled to welded the 3
it will save me from being rebooted


rpsantina wrote:Hello,

blunder for the mods on the manifold lines


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by Other » 03/03/06, 18:48

Hello
I would add to what RSantina wanted to tell you

The manufacturers who group the exhaust pipes
this is to improve the evacuation of exhaust gases
this allows you to gain some HP at specific diets
as the exhaust is pulsating we arrange to group
the two cylinders which have their piston at the top (for a 4 cylinder)
so that the outlet in a conduit makes a depression in the
the other leads just before the exhaust valve opens.

So if you partially flange, as well as changing the length or the diameter of the conduit you just affect the principle, the performance, and you risk ending up with an ordinary system
simple pipe ..

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by Murphy59 » 03/03/06, 20:09

@ Andre

so the best would be as you said above:

2 reactors in 1 per cylinder group mounted in parallel.

its would make 4 reactor I wonder if I will not apply the assembly of Michel and Didier for the reactor block but with a bubbler.
and tested their G + systems if it's successful

so I'm thinking of making reactors

rod 150 of 200
diameter 12 or 13 depending on what I find
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by Other » 03/03/06, 22:10

Hello,
Whether you put one or more reactors, you have to put them after the tuned pipes, now wait for the results of the assembly with 4 reactors to find out if you need to invest in the work of a single reactor or multi reactor, which requires more work and tools.
I don't think anything is burnt in the reactors
it turns something but burn? to date few people are able to give a scientific explanation, we are still at the observation stage, like the first electricians
in 1900 who plugged in lights and knew it was lighting,
but they never knew what was going on in the wires ...

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