Water doping

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Water doping




by titus02 » 25/11/05, 16:15

Hello

in the context of a simple doping with water, is it absolutely
necessary to pass the water vapors through a reactor
Pantone? a direct arrival from the tank / bubbler in the duct
Is Admission Sufficient? what has he tried before ??
Thank you for your answers
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by Other » 25/11/05, 18:10

Hello,
Whenever you operate the reactor cold it is what happens
The first km as well as city driving.
Andre
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by titus02 » 27/11/05, 14:19

thank you for your clarifications André but in practice what does it give?
with a pentone the water is brought to 500/800 ° surroundings but
it does not seem that there is phenomenon of "cracking", the water remains
in the form of vapor.
I was wondering if there was a difference between boosting an engine with 100 ° steam (with a simple burner opening into the intake pipe) or 800 ° steam from a Pentone?
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by Other » 27/11/05, 16:57

Hello,
It should not be imagined that the humid air passing through the reactor
will reach 500c and 800c, when it comes out at 150c at most 200c c, is all, and that a small volume compared to what a downstream engine has full power, because it is only at this time that the temperature rises.
the role of the reactor is not to heat steam.
Very can tell you at the current time what is happening in the reactor
these are only hypotheses, the only thing we know is the results good, less good, not good according to the observations
regimes, exhaust temperature, vacuum, speed of passage in the reactor, ect .. all things down to earth, palpable.
Saying the reactor is cracking water is unproven
or that it breaks down water either.
What I do know is that it works best when the exhaust is hot and the water vapor at the inlet of the reactor has a certain quality, fineness and temperature, which comes out of the reactor should not be at high temperatures.
Too hot it degrades (I'm not talking about the reactor but what comes out of the reactor)
I think, at this stage that the reactor breaks the drops of water even finer and especially charge them with static electricity, now how does this charged water improve combustion? but knowledge does not allow to elaborate on the subject.
I learned over time that the more you research in a specific area, the more you realize that what you thought you knew was only a small part.

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by titus02 » 28/11/05, 15:03

thank you André, this is precisely the question that bothers me and
that I may have asked incorrectly:
I wanted to do a water doping test without a Pantone reactor (it's a car that I use every day and I can't immobilize it for too long).
I plan to build a water tank + bubbler and send
steam directly into the intake pipe (as close to
the breech, without going through the Pentone box).
If we assume that the Pantone does not transform the vapor
the only difference between vapor without Pentone and vapor with is
only the temperature, 100 ° in the first case, around 1
in the second, this differential of + - 600 ° does it really change
the effectiveness of doping?
If it really works better with superheated steam I could maybe use my exhaust manifold directly as a "pressure cooker" which overheats the steam, it's always lighter to build and install than a "real" Pentone which requires more careful construction, removal and modification of the exhaust system.
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by titus02 » 28/11/05, 15:14

Hello

I misread your message before André, the difference with / without
Pentone is therefore very weak when at temperature + - 100 °
finally.
It would mainly be a difference in "quality" the pentone
would allow to have a very fine and electrically charged vapor ??
As long as I'm there:
I am also interested in the use of oil / fuel, some have
built oil heating systems based on spark plugs
preheating which goes up to 1300 °, a priori sufficient temperature
to break down water, to your knowledge some people
have they used this system? may have the opportunity
to get a mixture of partially decomposed steam and water?
thanks for your explanations
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