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by crispus » 11/10/06, 14:14

Capt_Maloche wrote:static

Of course, this will require extensive training in the field of electromagnetism in static mode
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and then moving 8)


Thank you for the link.

As I pointed out previously, most of my training focused on the "channeling" of electrons in a metal or a semiconductor.

But for fluids, I actually think that these are the chemists best able to inform us.

I removed the rod from the reactor and put a small aluminum groove at the entrance.
The electric field generated may be limited, but as I have not had any conclusive results on my AX, I have nothing to lose ...
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by crispus » 29/11/06, 21:25

Good evening everyone !

I am pleased to inform you of the publication of the 2e part of my theory: this time I propose montages to verify it.

Implications of ionic vortex theory.pdf

Of course I rectified the drawing of the "volute" according to your comments. I do not pretend to align practice with my theory at all costs, which is still in its infancy and will certainly require some further corrections.

Good reading (2Mo, 24 pages) and good stuff for the fastest experimenters!

Warning: some texts or images may shock. This approach took me further than I imagined. And then it's in my nature, I like to argue. Besides, I do not like the Donalds either : Lol:.

Keep me informed, if it works ... and even if it does not work!

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by saveplanet » 29/11/06, 21:28

I am going to read it and lean on it but expect to have questions because the subject is not simple and as you specify, is subject to controversy.
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by Other » 30/11/06, 05:39

Hello,
For the ionizer the problem is not to get an ionizing system, the one I use is a honeywell used for air filtration systems.
When you just use the ionize queue and condemn the collector queue, there is ionization on the insulating plate in the dark there is a glimmer on the connections of the diodes,
The real problem is the ionize wire in the panton conduit, it must be spaced enough from the mass and withstand the heat if it is placed at the outlet of the reactor, I use a candle with a just the central electrode in peak and I know that it bows in the tube,
the other method, to ionize the entry of the reactor with an insulating conduit, with enough of ionizing wire, because on the electronic filter there is a series of 8 files end of 400 mm parralele in the current of air, then comes the collector plates in front of the mass plates those which pick up the dust.
I did not solve (eliminate ionization in the box)
And I do not know yet if it is more advantageous ionize ren before the reactor or after the reactor, I thought I denote a gain after, but in these tests you still do not know if this arc more or less internally, this which makes the ionization system less efficient.

Making high voltage with 12 volts is relatively easy to rectify too.

For the spiral on the rods the pitch is not equal to the diameter of the rod but the radius, it turns in the opposite direction of a watch when we look at the inlet side of the reactor,
The marks on the rods (cavitation) form spots that are not always in the same place after the reactor, I assumed that it corresponds to the place where the rod is closest to the reactor, the centering is not perfect but that will have to be proved by deliberately adjusting the stem, but will that teach me what?
In my first experiences I learned that a panton that works at steady speed, if we turn or move the rod while it is running it is going down and that comes back to the diet

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by elephant » 30/11/06, 09:07

I retain the end of your document as a basis for reflection and I see what can be achieved with the little time I have for the moment.
Thank you Crispus, see you soon, with interesting conclusions, I hope.
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by Other » 30/11/06, 21:56

Hello,
Those who have knowledge in ionization.
first I just spent several hours looking for the best way with spikes and a limit space to not that it bow, just a little blue glow, but has to breathe, it ended up giving headache (I would like to know if inhaling an excess of ion or ozone this nefaste and I believe it!)
what is the best way to make electrodes to send the ions into the system, as soon as it activates the stream of air that produces less and if the flow of air and humid it starts to start the arc .. it is far from easy to optimize the ion propagation in the system. To date I am happy to leave an arc at the end of the reactor, but it is low power.
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by bolt » 30/11/06, 23:25

Hello Andrew,
do you want to swallow ions in the reactor, to see the theory of crispus :?:

indeed, for that, it is not necessary that this arch, otherwise the produced ions are shortcircuited :frown: having then become neutral by recombination, they can no longer initiate the vortex whose crispus speaks
but the arc has probably created a few dissociations of molecules

for good, the electrode plates of the ionizer must be as parallel as possible (no angle or peak): this avoids the phenomenon of "peak" (concentration of ions at these places causing arcs)

if we want to give reason to crispus and bob_isat (electrification ...), we must first of all ions at the entrance of the reactor:
given by a bubbler which is therefore necessarily wet vapor or other system
then, the few ions present spinning around the stem, creating other ions, and, becoming too numerous, end up making the short-juice (the éticelle, the storm) which concretizes the formation of ozone, molecule breaks: the endothermic reaction

the traces of cavitation at the start of the stem are created by the nebulization of the last micro-drops of water (steam not yet dry), and the "short-juices" are only created within the "vortex" (for weather comparison : from cloud to cloud and not from cloud to the ground), the rod being against (stuck or welded) the tube, therefore at the same potential
it would be for that one does not see traces further on the stem


if there are not the right conditions, the arc is not fast enough (in the inter-fer) can not be done, and it is only the ions that managed to get into the combustion chamber who can improve it
in this case, at most there is a difference in number between the H + and the OH-, the more it is likely to remain (as they tend to neutralize each other)
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by bob_isat » 30/11/06, 23:30

Well, I'd like to know why the flow should be spiraling in the reactor. :?:
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by Other » 02/12/06, 16:43

Hello
for good, the electrode plates of the ionizer must be as parallel as possible (no angle or peak): this avoids the phenomenon of "peak" (concentration of ions at these places causing arcs)


That's not quite what I noticed, with a thorium tungsten tip well sharpened and polished if I put a space just enough 20 has 22mm with a medium wood insulator, not that the arc primer, just a a little noise and a kind of little glow that we see in the dark, it smells of ozone and all the small particles of dust or pieces of polystyrene are like pushed by the tip, as if the tip was a jet of air.
If the arc is primed it gives off more ozone scent. the question is whether it is ozone or ions that must be swallowed by the engine? (or both easier to do.)
Without much arc of ion more blowing on the debits of insulating dust
With more ozone scent arc and almost more blowing on the debris
with a small glow pilot bow root visible only in the dark, and high-voltage leakage noise, one has it all, ozone and ions

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by gegyx » 02/12/06, 17:02

These ionizers HT spikes are sold as producers of "negative ion" (negative ion generators), beneficial for human health (vital energy, prana ...), and clean the atmosphere of dust.
The problem is that at the same time we manufacture ozone, which is harmful to breathing ...
To produce ions in abundance, there is the recipe of Lifter of Naudin, since the explanation of the movement is due to the reaction of an "ionic wind", coming from a negative electrode of 25 to 30kv, and pointing to the positive electrode located at 2 or 3cm.
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