Turbulence in the Pantone reactor?

[Christophe]

Please pay attention to the spelling. Not only does it become illegible but it is also not very serious for newcomers ...

[campadebulsance]

ok for the mistakes ...! lol

well well i'm trying it like that for now
we will see how it looks

hope nothing happens to the engine !!!
thank you André

[wirbelwind262]

Hi everyone !!!!!!
And does a turbine type turbulator greatly influence consumption and pollution?
For André have you tested the pantone on lycommings and / or Pratt and Whitneys in star?
seen how it sucks these little mechanics ...
Good luck and @ +!

[Christophe]

Yes it does. Look at the Herail process: it's a turbulator in a way (at least the effects are the same: better volatilization of the fuel)

https://www.econologie.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=88

[Other]

Hello,
Add in too many, Lycoming yes, but Pratt radial no!
they are in planes (certified engines), you can't play as you want the top.
The biggest saving is on a multipoint injection engine
driven by a computer, Buick park avenue engine 3,8 liters The size of the vehicle is close to a cadillac
Consumption less than 8 liters on long journeys driven on motorways at 100 km / h.
In town no difference the consumption is exaggerated from 13 to 15 liters in winter.
The reason is that I can't get the Lamdba probe to work quickly enough and at low speed.
Andre

[tryf]

Hello
what is lycomming, prat radial ...?
a type of carburation?
André said that the pants are especially great on a multipoint?
I do not understand very well.

[lio74]

Hello
yes I worked with a turbulence generator at the inlet of the reactor and I just removed it, I will give you the results
later, as it is falling on the transmission and lost on the road I doubt that I put another one .. I go to the simplest all that is used for almost nothing I eliminate it.
Andre

Good evening everyone...
I already posted the question on the other forum (pmc.new, inaccessible this evening ... I hope it will be tomorrow? !!? ) and I almost find an answer here ...
-> is the turbulence generator before the reactor efficient
I thought it might be a good lead, but apparently André fired him
In this regard, André, if you can give a little idea of ​​the results with and without a turbulator ... or if you have dropped the trail (too much to experiment) too bad! or maybe they are posted elsewhere ?!

Otherwise notice to mechanics and other technicians to calculate the best turbulator compromise between radius of curvature and helix angle to gain the most speed without too much pressure drop ...
I remain convinced that if there is a good vortex there will be better friction between the mollecules (and the rod) in the reactor !!

@+

[lau]

hello lio, this is what we believe but many have broken their teeth there. André did not have the expected results with his pre-vortex devices.
You have the right to try too , I will soon try something similar but without much hope. I think the solution is in the proper air gap with the right pipe diameters and the right lengths; tomorrow i'm trying a new change in the quality of steam that must enter the reactor, we'll see.

[lio74]

hello lio, this is what we believe but many have broken their teeth there. André did not have the expected results with his pre-vortex devices.
You have the right to try too , I will soon try something similar but without much hope. I think the solution is in the proper air gap with the right pipe diameters and the right lengths; tomorrow i'm trying a new change in the quality of steam that must enter the reactor, we'll see.

hello lau,

I will try ... not to lose too many teeth lol

no seriously, i'm just getting into simulation, or room optimization (studies need to be useful for one thing ...) because one I don't have a car yet, and two I don't have still everything you need for a good handyman !!!
then I will communicate the results of my sims under Ansys (EF software for those who know) finally brief!

otherwise I find your essay interesting ... anyway there are several parameters (a large nomdre ) that come into play unless you find the quick fix the first time , you have to do a very large number of tests by varying them one by one ....
we did not leave the hostel !!!

for your test, try to have the annular section of reactor equal to the section of the original intake nozzle!?! or with a well thought out report!?!

good DIY and good luck!
@soon

[bob_isat]

Hello, what you say is interesting:

with Ansys can you do flow simulation?

I am an automotive engineer and I would like to see what it gives for the flow in the Pantone.


As for turbulence they are essential for me (increase in electrification by flow)

One of the reasons why André did not feel any improvement is perhaps the geometry of his pipes: he explained in a post that he had pipes of square section upstream of the pantone.

These angular shapes alone can create turbulence, just as if you have an elbow just before the pantone.


The trubulence generator could therefore be recommended for those who have very simple geometries upstream of the pantone (no elbow, circular sections)