Pantone stalk

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
Other
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 3787
Registration: 17/03/05, 02:35
x 12




by Other » 27/01/06, 16:02

Hello
Answer to John
For the use of PVC I had already examined the conduits and and all the material available T plug ect .. at the plumbing store
(I'm talking about black ducts for sewage sticking)
I think that with all that is available we should make an intergral bubbler in PVC the internal chamber and the external one of reheating too. obviously warm up with engine water and place not too close to the exhaust.
it's economical to build and easy
If you have good connections you can buy the PVC paste which is used to make these pieces it would be possible to make a mold to make bubblers in series.
There is the other possibility it is in fiberglass on a polystyrene pattern once the part is done it is enough to empty acetone and the polystyrene dissolves to leave the internal vacuum of the double partitions,
It is necessary that these assemblies resit the pressure (like a radiator)
For heat PVC pipes of this 4 inch diameter are relatively thick and slightly soften.

Andre
0 x
User avatar
PITMIX
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 2028
Registration: 17/09/05, 10:29
x 17




by PITMIX » 27/01/06, 20:33

: Cheesy: Well seen the bubbler in PVC. I like that. :!:
Easy to work resistant and inexpensive. Sometimes we say that
"but why didn't I think about it before"
0 x
User avatar
jean63
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2332
Registration: 15/12/05, 08:50
Location: Auvergne
x 4

PVC




by jean63 » 27/01/06, 20:57

The idea : Idea: it is thanks to Lau who indicated the internet address of the Morvan red tractor website ...... previous page.

When I saw that on the photo, I said to myself "great" but it is in the open air ... then, but I think it is good if it is far from the exhaust pipe there ' will be no problem for heat.

But contrary to what André says it is Rigid light gray PVC which is put in the internal evacuations, there are a lot of accessories, reductions ...... etc ..... and the advantage, if one has the place not too close to the exhaust, it is that it's quickly assembled with special glue.

The black PVC sold in France does not stick, it is semi-rigid and the connections are made with special fittings (my buried sprinkler installation is made with that, but I do not think that it is suitable for the bubbler (in Anyway, that's not what I see in the photos.

: Mrgreen:
0 x
Only when he has brought down the last tree, the last river contaminated, the last fish caught that man will realize that money is not edible (Indian MOHAWK).
Other
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 3787
Registration: 17/03/05, 02:35
x 12




by Other » 28/01/06, 01:17

Hello
Rectification the black pipe is called ABS all the sewer pipes are made with this material contrary to what you say it is rigid
and that this sticks very well, To make a bubbler with, the only defect that I had noticed is that in the sizes of 4 inches pipe
the fittings require several reductions to make the connections with automobile heater pipes.
The gray pipe sticks with another kind of glue it is thinner, and is not approved for houses, it is rather resevé for chalets and temporary installations, drainage on land ect .. it is less expensive purchase..
This fall on the Mercedes I had made an assembly in ABS and a carburetor with a large sponge, faster for a temporary construction, without putting glue it allows to modify the assembly ...

Andre
0 x
User avatar
PITMIX
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 2028
Registration: 17/09/05, 10:29
x 17




by PITMIX » 28/01/06, 08:39

Hello
And the rainwater drain pipe is wrong? (gutter)
It resists to strong heat.
To take off the fittings, a heat gun is used, the heat of the air rises to 400 ° C. Even with 90 ° C water I don't think it will distort it. And to fix a 14mm fitting on the plug, for the dip tube for example you can drill and screw.
0 x
User avatar
lau
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 814
Registration: 19/11/05, 01:13
Location: vaucluse




by lau » 28/01/06, 09:38

to make an automatic filling machine is also practical.
0 x
The number of molecules in a drop of water is equal to the number of drop that contains the Black Sea!
User avatar
Cuicui
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3547
Registration: 26/04/05, 10:14
x 6




by Cuicui » 28/01/06, 10:39

Please note, the rigid gray PVC used for draining sinks or sinks will deform even if the heat does not exceed 80 °. At 100 ° it is the catamaran. To see it, just put a tip in boiling water and wait a while. In my opinion, this is not suitable for a bubbler.
0 x
User avatar
jean63
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2332
Registration: 15/12/05, 08:50
Location: Auvergne
x 4




by jean63 » 28/01/06, 12:07

Thank you all,

The rigid black "PVC" in ABS ... doesn't really know; Is it used in water supply networks? In France where can you buy it in small quantities?

It is the gray PVC used in evacuations inside homes in France that we glue with special PVC glue I was talking about; the assembly which is done on the red tractor of the Morvan (internet address on previous pages) is clearly light gray in color.
We should find out from the guy who mounted it, how long has it been? In Mr brico / casto .... you can buy a meter if you want, the standard is 2 meters.

I would like to believe that with heat it deforms. In the evacuators, there is not necessarily very hot water (90 ° C) but hot water .. yes .... (whatever the dishwasher and washing machine outlets, it must not come out of fresh water at the end of the wash cycle) and for years. My house has been built for 20 years and all evacuations are made with that, like all houses in France ... it is safe and certain.

I would rather fear the deformation due to the surrounding heat of the engine.

I have falls, I will make tests by immersing a piece in boiling water and with 2 pieces stuck together.

Thank you for your information : Mrgreen:
0 x
Only when he has brought down the last tree, the last river contaminated, the last fish caught that man will realize that money is not edible (Indian MOHAWK).
User avatar
lau
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 814
Registration: 19/11/05, 01:13
Location: vaucluse




by lau » 28/01/06, 12:20

I will try to look for a large diameter beam to make my spad, like that the sides are already assembled !! : Lol:
0 x
The number of molecules in a drop of water is equal to the number of drop that contains the Black Sea!
User avatar
jean63
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2332
Registration: 15/12/05, 08:50
Location: Auvergne
x 4

Bad pvc




by jean63 » 28/01/06, 12:30

Incidentally ........... PVC, ecologically speaking, is m ...
because it contains chlorine, so manufacturing and destruction is bad for the planet EARTH. : Mrgreen:
0 x
Only when he has brought down the last tree, the last river contaminated, the last fish caught that man will realize that money is not edible (Indian MOHAWK).

 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Go back to "Water injection in heat engines: information and explanations"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 113 guests