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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Christophe » 22/05/11, 22:22

Cuicui wrote:Can you confirm that the entire 90% water - 10% petrol mixture feeds the engine, and that the engine runs until the bubbler is not completely empty?


Cuicui, I understand that a great econology expert like you (so that you've heard a little about doping for years ...) can believe such figures !!!

No doubt is possible about the exaggeration of these figures especially since we are still waiting for a photo of his montages ...

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by Cuicui » 22/05/11, 22:58

Christophe wrote:
Cuicui wrote:Can you confirm that the entire 90% water - 10% petrol mixture feeds the engine, and that the engine runs until the bubbler is not completely empty?

No doubt is possible about the exaggeration of these figures especially since we are still waiting for a photo of his montages ...

For now, I'm just asking Alaniesse (which I thank in passing for revealing to me the existence of the Econokit) to confirm whether the 90% water - 10% petrol mixture fully supplies the engine.
After which we can discuss mounting.
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by Christophe » 22/05/11, 22:59

Moi jte confirm 99.9% in the air whenever you want : Cheesy:
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by Cuicui » 22/05/11, 23:04

Christophe wrote:Moi jte confirm 99.9% in the air whenever you want : Cheesy:

Certainly. But it's at Alaniesse that I was asking the question. Alaniesse, if you can hear me, could you please answer?
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by Other » 24/05/11, 05:58

Hello

Cuicui wrote:Can you confirm that the entire 90% water - 10% petrol mixture feeds the engine, and that the engine runs until the bubbler is not completely empty?


When you operate an engine with a bubbler it is impossible to empty it completely, when the level drops under the bubbler tube there are no more bubbles and not much to evaporate the water remaining at the bottom.

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by Cuicui » 24/05/11, 09:05

Andre wrote:Hello
Cuicui wrote:Can you confirm that the entire 90% water - 10% petrol mixture feeds the engine, and that the engine runs until the bubbler is not completely empty?

When you operate an engine with a bubbler it is impossible to empty it completely, when the level drops under the bubbler tube there are no more bubbles and not much to evaporate the water remaining at the bottom. Andrew

Hi André,
Of course. This is why I remain skeptical before the presentation ofAlaniesse, and that I invite him to confirm his remarks.
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by alaniesse » 24/05/11, 12:28

On super reactors, the nebulleur is an essential part.
If a nebulleur is under liquid load, the reactor will not have the quantity necessary to be optimum. Indeed we will have to reopen the valves, which means, .... stop shortly.

the addition of liquid must be done, on request.
Gently, so as not to disturb the entire reaction.

the vortex which is created allows homogenization.

as I said, it is difficult to pass the 88% petrol, 12% water mark.
When we want to pass, we need another system in parallel, doping with osmosis water with fogger and hollow reactor, or pulse meyer.

In brackets, putting a pantone on a car engine is a lot of trouble for nothing.

A doping goes up in 20 minutes, withdraws in 20 minutes.
to do it:
a castorama toolbox at 9 € / 10 € it must be able to go into the engine compartment and not far from the exhaust manifold
an electric sprayer 1 head with its buoy (for 2000 cc of displacement) (for 6000 cc take a 3 heads with buoy)
2,0 meters of silicone hose in 16 mm
a 16 mm copper u made of 2 90 ° elbows and a 12 cm end of tube
a 16mm copper fitting with metal washer and gasket to attach to the tool box which serves as a reservoir.
a venturi head made of copper or stainless steel to obtain the vacuum
with that, imperatively add 1 spacer to move back the lambda probe (v8 engine and large displacement, with 2 lines of collectors, you have to move back the 2 lambda probes) so that they do not see too much oxygen passing and that the management system tries to add fuel to compensate.
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by Cuicui » 24/05/11, 14:34

alaniesse wrote:an electric sprayer 1 head with its buoy (for 2000 cc of displacement)

Thank you for the clarification. If I understood correctly, you do not use a bubbler, but simply a fogger which nebulizes the water-gasoline mixture? How is this mist injected into the engine?
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by alaniesse » 24/05/11, 15:27

for the fogger (s), you need water without lime, acid therefore rather osmosis (it costs from 50 euros an osmosis) (rain water, normally it is without lime) (l air conditioning discharge water)

with tap water, a fogger stops in less than a month. (limestone)

so it's not worth it.

with reverse osmosis water, the fogger stays clean. the tank remains clean.
maintains zero.
change of pad which vibrates with seal every 2000 hours of operation (around 6 to 9 euros)

a 1-head mist sprayer in 5 microns 1/3 liter of water per hour (in the order of)
a 3-head fogger mistes 1 liter of water per hour (around)

I am an absolute fan of nebulleurs, but in the case of doping, the depression will suck the heated mist, no need to get bored.
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by Flytox » 24/05/11, 18:08

Lumberjack where are you ??????? : Mrgreen:
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