Pantone and Ecole des Mines de Douai

[elephant]

Christophe, I sent you, I believe a mp, but who may have escaped you
when you ask for "pantone engine" on wikipedia, you come across a link to the guys who try the pantone at the Douai mining school
their tests are not very conclusive

it would do well to test a montage that works before drawing their conclusions, right?

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moteur_Pan ... s_externes

[Christophe]

1) They even went over the forum: https://www.econologie.com/forums/etude-sur- ... t3415.html

2) I read their site and different conclusions https://www.econologie.com/projet-echo-m ... -3516.html

The problem is that they apparently did not take into account the advice I gave at the conclusion of my pfe of ... 2001 and we redo the same nonsense to necessarily reach the same conclusions (or almost) : the 100% pantone system with bubbler for petrol is not worth much and optimizations are necessary ...

It's not a scoop but I find it is a shame, given the means they had at their disposal to have retained the 100% pantone by following the original plans ... but maybe they will continue?

3) Otherwise on this page, we can see how out of context (I was talking about doping and not 100% pantone), journalists can say anything:

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... -04-07.pdf

4) In no case are their conclusions valid for water doping

5) It is also a shame that the econologie.com site is not cited in their report available here: https://www.econologie.com/projet-echo-m ... -3516.html

[elephant]

maybe we should react, I do not like at all that we pass for puppets
I do not think they will continue: they found themselves a good subject for examination, they made curves, their teachers will be (hyper) happy and basta!

[Christophe]

Pkoi we would pass for puppets?

Have you seen their mounting with the pressure cooker / bubbler protruding from the hood? It would rather be the opposite, right?

In addition they remain "open" in their conclusions and do not generalize (see their full report). I think that's pretty good behavior, isn't it?

[elephant]

OK, you're the judge.

[abyssin3]

And to tell the truth it is not too much in their interest to have negative results (unless they are funded by ???).

In general, in a scientific environment, in the face of positive results, everyone does wow! in the face of negative results, everyone does Hmm ....
They had better make the necessary modifications to ensure the best possible result, otherwise, they will not have much to tell at the end of their project ...

[Other]

Hello

Go read their guestbook, several give them advice, including myself, if they don't want to take it into account and they have a lot of time and energy they will follow the same path as the rest of us and probably even more tortuous, in the end it will come to something, if it does not give up on the way.

for a 100% panton it is a small mower carburetor on an auto petrol, but it is angry at putting water, in a 100% panton water is an additional problem for control, it depends on what 'he seeks to prove, the panton reactor or the water market?
if he does not quickly obtain a semblance of result there is someone who will cut their project to them.
If he had simply looked at the WV motor 100% panton image of those of Mexico, he would have understood the simplicity of this assembly .. and it would have results, diesel, water is alcohol that could come after ..
Normally it should be in the perfecting stage of the system and they are in the operating stage.
If he had listened to the advice a little, he would have been forced to test fuel oil, alcohol
Why do measurements and tests on something that does not work well, when I modify I roll, modify it, and when I denote a gain, I do consumption tests not do a test to tell me that it is negative ..
In the end it will finish that the final report will say the panton system not good .. and their superior will be happy
they need to pull themselves together quickly, and modify this more simply so that it works.

Andre

[Christophe]

They had better make the necessary modifications to ensure the best possible result, otherwise, they will not have much to tell at the end of their project ...

Uh the project is finished (hoping they don't stop there), here is their 111 page report: https://www.econologie.com/projet-echo-m ... -3516.html

I only flew over it but just read the conclusions:

It is planned to extend the field of study to current engines as well as diesel technology. They will thus be able to provide CRITT M2A with a complete study of the Pantone system adapted to the car.

Only this complete study can constitute a strong argument against a car manufacturer who will have the ambition to adapt this time the engine to the Pantone system and thus create a "Pantone engine".

and further the general conclusion:

CONCLUSION
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After 8 months of reflection on the pantone subject, we can say that it is a universe of which we have only scratched the surface. Also the system invented by Mr. Pantone works. It works to the extent that we have managed to propel a vehicle and drive with it. Now, a real optimization process is to be launched.

The fact that our system consumes more and leads to a loss of power is not a failure, just a starting point.

For the future actors of the project, they will have to ask themselves the right questions and carry out the right investigations just as we think we have done. So as not to start from scratch, we are happy to bequeath our first study to them,
our findings and our reflections. In addition, we must emphasize the objective nature of the study that we have conducted. The results we have obtained are those of our system and cannot in any case be generalized to all processes.

From an educational point of view, our various publications in the media and in the press mean that we are almost in the high hypothesis of success.

Starting from the base of a high risk factor since it was not guaranteed that the system works, we are today satisfied with our performance.

ps: André if they don't listen it's normal, they are future engineers ...

[the middle]

maybe we should react, I do not like at all that we pass for puppets
I do not think they will continue: they found themselves a good subject for examination, they made curves, their teachers will be (hyper) happy and basta!

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Sometimes I wonder, if their goal was not to discredit econology work, which is "disturbing" for some multinational companies .....
Because their stubbornness is not normal ...

[elephant]

It is obvious that one can easily miss a montage.
I think they have wasted time. In my opinion the first step to judge "if it's worth it", in the current state of knowledge "is to borrow a working pantone, to take the measurements and to redo a set of measurements with the exhaust d. 'origin
(and take advantage of what they are "on the bench" to do a whole series of additional measurements: pressure, temperature, etc ....

there, they would have advanced the schmilblick!